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[hotdog 8]

hi all getting a cz 16 barrel varmint 22 rimfire ,what would be my max range

[Guest Macnas]

You should be able to shoot at the same ranges as you would with any other standard barrel length CZ.

 

Your max range should be defined by what is safe and what you know. By that I mean knowing your backdrop is safe, no people/houses/livestock/roads/paths in the way or beyond, and knowing your bullet drop, windage and the like.

 

We've all taken very long shots, but in the main, your range is from 100 yards back. I zero mine at 75, then shoot paper at 25, 50, 75 & 100 yards. Then I know what my "aim off" has to be for the particular round I'm using.

 

Best of luck with the rifle.

[jamie g 17]

most people stick to around 60 to 70 yards with them. but can go to a 100 yards if you no where to aim.

ive had a rabbit at 91 yards with mine using a mtc viper scope which has got great aim points on it.

you could go over 100 if you no where to aim like i said. but if you want to shoot over a 100 yards mite as well add a hmr to you list to

[Deker 3,478]

I'd say Macnas has it pretty spot on.

 

After trying loads of ammo over the years I now use CCI Velocitors 40gHP, 1435ft sec, 185ft lb and Magtech 40gHP subs, 1036ft sec, 98 ft lb, (sometimes Rem Yellow jackets)for hunting. American Eagle 5022 40g Solid, 1240ft sec, 137ft lb for target.

 

All the ammo performs differently so you MUST check your zero and rise/drop/drift for each ammo. I find a 75 yard zero for velocitors gives me a 50 yard zero for the Magtech with no scope adjustment ....I don't adjust my scope for target work either because I know how to adjust the shot on the mildots.

 

A 16" barrel on your CZ will not shoot as accurately or as powerfully as the two other options they offer (20" & 22 1/2"), but as a .22LR the difference out to 100 yards will be hard to notice. And you will be zeroing your gun so it won't matter!

 

Now, .....my longest bunny is 152 yards uphill with subs.....but....there are not many years when I don't shoot 5000 rounds in my rimmy....I know it, and my ammo inside out and backwards. I shoot it regularly on Short Siberia (200Yards) at Bisley, and if I don't get 4 v bulls out of 10 I am upset. I am Secretary of my club at Bisley and I spent 9 years as a shooting coach, and NO, I don't know it all and I'm not the best shot in the world,..... and I still rarely use it over 100yards for hunting!

 

Noboby in their right mind would suggest, or expect, your .22LR to be a 200yard hunting tool. Stick to what you can do with it and you will only find that out after you have used it a bit (lot)... I would suggest 75-100yards from it. Any further on a regular basis and you need to think about a 17HMR or a .22WMR.

 

Enjoy....

 

Deker

[rogern 0]

I'd say Macnas has it pretty spot on.

 

After trying loads of ammo over the years I now use CCI Velocitors 40gHP, 1435ft sec, 185ft lb and Magtech 40gHP subs, 1036ft sec, 98 ft lb, (sometimes Rem Yellow jackets)for hunting. American Eagle 5022 40g Solid, 1240ft sec, 137ft lb for target.

 

All the ammo performs differently so you MUST check your zero and rise/drop/drift for each ammo. I find a 75 yard zero for velocitors gives me a 50 yard zero for the Magtech with no scope adjustment ....I don't adjust my scope for target work either because I know how to adjust the shot on the mildots.

 

A 16" barrel on your CZ will not shoot as accurately or as powerfully as the two other options they offer (20" & 22 1/2"), but as a .22LR the difference out to 100 yards will be hard to notice. And you will be zeroing your gun so it won't matter!

Now, .....my longest bunny is 152 yards uphill with subs.....but....there are not many years when I don't shoot 5000 rounds in my rimmy....I know it, and my ammo inside out and backwards. I shoot it regularly on Short Siberia (200Yards) at Bisley, and if I don't get 4 v bulls out of 10 I am upset. I am Secretary of my club at Bisley and I spent 9 years as a shooting coach, and NO, I don't know it all and I'm not the best shot in the world,..... and I still rarely use it over 100yards for hunting!

 

Noboby in their right mind would suggest, or expect, your .22LR to be a 200yard hunting tool. Stick to what you can do with it and you will only find that out after you have used it a bit (lot)... I would suggest 75-100yards from it. Any further on a regular basis and you need to think about a 17HMR or a .22WMR.

 

Enjoy....

 

Deker

 

Not wishing to start an arguement but........

 

a .22 rimfire with a 16" barrel will be no less powerful or accurate than one with say a 22" barrel

It has been proven that a .22 rimmy only needs about 12" - 13" of barrel to burn all the powder!!

It has also been proven that a 'shortened' rimmy is in most cases more accurate than one with a standard barrel length

Now I expect I will get some flack for these comments, but if asked, i will post the results of several tests carried out by different 'experts' proving the points made.

 

And how does a longer barrel make a gun more 'powerful'

Edited November 29, 2007 by rogern

[Deker 3,478]

I'd say Macnas has it pretty spot on.

 

After trying loads of ammo over the years I now use CCI Velocitors 40gHP, 1435ft sec, 185ft lb and Magtech 40gHP subs, 1036ft sec, 98 ft lb, (sometimes Rem Yellow jackets)for hunting. American Eagle 5022 40g Solid, 1240ft sec, 137ft lb for target.

 

All the ammo performs differently so you MUST check your zero and rise/drop/drift for each ammo. I find a 75 yard zero for velocitors gives me a 50 yard zero for the Magtech with no scope adjustment ....I don't adjust my scope for target work either because I know how to adjust the shot on the mildots.

 

A 16" barrel on your CZ will not shoot as accurately or as powerfully as the two other options they offer (20" & 22 1/2"), but as a .22LR the difference out to 100 yards will be hard to notice. And you will be zeroing your gun so it won't matter!

Now, .....my longest bunny is 152 yards uphill with subs.....but....there are not many years when I don't shoot 5000 rounds in my rimmy....I know it, and my ammo inside out and backwards. I shoot it regularly on Short Siberia (200Yards) at Bisley, and if I don't get 4 v bulls out of 10 I am upset. I am Secretary of my club at Bisley and I spent 9 years as a shooting coach, and NO, I don't know it all and I'm not the best shot in the world,..... and I still rarely use it over 100yards for hunting!

 

Noboby in their right mind would suggest, or expect, your .22LR to be a 200yard hunting tool. Stick to what you can do with it and you will only find that out after you have used it a bit (lot)... I would suggest 75-100yards from it. Any further on a regular basis and you need to think about a 17HMR or a .22WMR.

 

Enjoy....

 

Deker

 

Not wishing to start an arguement but........

 

a .22 rimfire with a 16" barrel will be no less powerful or accurate than one with say a 22" barrel

It has been proven that a .22 rimmy only needs about 12" - 13" of barrel to burn all the powder!!

It has also been proven that a 'shortened' rimmy is in most cases more accurate than one with a standard barrel length

Now I expect I will get some flack for these comments, but if asked, i will post the results of several tests carried out by different 'experts' proving the points made.

 

And how does a longer barrel make a gun more 'powerful'

 

 

Guys...I have had heard it all before, people knowing people, who have a mate, who heard something, or were told about an article, who said so it must be right, or had a fish and it must have been.... Oh!.. at least this long!!!......no really it was!!!

 

Its not simply a matter of the speed of burn ...many powders burn at different rates (and they are all designed to burn in the barrel)..its a matter of how long that force is exerted on the projectile until the energy disipates, put simply, how long the barrel is...Go to any .22LR ammo manufacturers website and compare the SAME ammo performance in a pistol and a rifle. A shortened barrel, like for like, will not be more accurate than a "standard" length one....if that was the case ask yourself why do manufacturers go to the trouble of wasting all that extra metal, and shipping rifles in long boxes just to deliver an inferior product. Perhaps you can also explain why all commonly used military sniper rifles have VERY long barrels. If shorter barrels were more accurate they would use them. So too would all top class target shooters in this country and the world....so ask yourself why they don't use the more accurate shorter barrels, seems a bit stupid to enter a competition with a standard barrel when its would be far more accurate to chop it down to 12-13". The likes of CZ and (others) have started (in some cases been) producing shorter barrels (around 16") primaily for ease of use in vehicles knowing fully well that the reduction in overall performance is neligible...so why did they not go down to 12 -13" at this time? And why have they not changed their whole range, they still offer two longer versions in assorted models!

 

Simple explaination....put a pea in a normal length straw and blow......now put that same pea in a straw 60 cms long and blow....the energy used is the same, the projectile is the same yet the pea will fly faster and more accurately.

 

I'm really not interested in an arguement either and I don't care if you accept what I say or not, and I made the point that the difference out to 100 yards will be hard to notice. Up to this range most people of normal shooting ability will not notice any difference.

 

So I suspect now you better post these Experts tests proving a shorter barrel is more accurate and just as powerful as a standard one. And also show that not only I, but every ballistics expert, arms manufacturer, ammo manufacturer, army and target shooter in the world doesn't know what we are talking about. Let the Fireworks begin.....

Edited November 29, 2007 by Deker