Old Timers

[downsview 448]

As for all thes baying bolting types dont you think any of the old timers had more pushy game type terriers lakelands fells patterdales borders all were worked hard not just in shallow places welfare of stock etc was more important than welfare of the terrier on those dark distant days I would imagine

[matt1979 766]

Where I grew up you would barely see a fell type terrier, I never saw a border occasionally lakey type. Those who worked terriers locally generally had the old jrt and in truth a bolter often suited the work they did as often it wasn't always legitimate and they worked with lurchers as well. I don't question your point about a stayer being more valued or harder to come by. But I do thinks it's harsh to label others types cowards when perhaps they were breed to suit the needs of those who kept them atb

[matt1979 766]

Would the bitch lost to ground I quoted above be a coward or a hero? She generally bolted them but stayed on this occasion as her game was different and paid the price. Genuine question as I am not a digging man atb

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Genuine answer 1 dig after 11 years doesn't make a legend ,but that doesn't take away your fond memories or the years of enjoyment you had from her

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Where I grew up you would barely see a fell type terrier, I never saw a border occasionally lakey type. Those who worked terriers locally generally had the old jrt and in truth a bolter often suited the work they did as often it wasn't always legitimate and they worked with lurchers as well. I don't question your point about a stayer being more valued or harder to come by. But I do thinks it's harsh to label others types cowards when perhaps they were breed to suit the needs of those who kept them atb

The dog has something about it or it wouldn't enter a bb d search out Charlie,but then when the fox pushes the terrier backs off when that fox keeps pushing and the terrier is ejected from the earth tail between its legs where's that leave you and your lurchers,it may suit some but a man that prides himself on terrier work wouldn't wear it

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Where I grew up you would barely see a fell type terrier, I never saw a border occasionally lakey type. Those who worked terriers locally generally had the old jrt and in truth a bolter often suited the work they did as often it wasn't always legitimate and they worked with lurchers as well. I don't question your point about a stayer being more valued or harder to come by. But I do thinks it's harsh to label others types cowards when perhaps they were breed to suit the needs of those who kept them atb

The dog has something about it or it wouldn't enter a bb d search out Charlie,but then when the fox pushes the terrier backs off when that fox keeps pushing and the terrier is ejected from the earth tail between its legs where's that leave you and your lurchers,it may suit some but a man that prides himself on terrier work wouldn't wear it

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Just my thoughts on the subject

[neil cooney 10,416]

There's a big difference between a terrier being trapped and a terrier working for long periods.

A few days trapped tests a terriers constitution not it's gameness.

A terrier working for long periods non stop is a game terrier, with different degrees of gameness depending on the terriers style.

[foxbolter 447]

Love these people that think a big hard terrier is best they forget about dropping half a dozen holes because they big hard terrier can't get on to a little vixen or August cub. I don't think that it is always the case of a terrier is a coward because sometimes a fox passes the dog in the contact area there is more room cause the dog is smaller and fox get passed in the tumble of a fight and a bolt is made . So is that little bolting dog a coward ? But in my book the dog should stay if needed till dug too. There dogs for different occasions in my opinion . Not many terriers are ideal for both types of quarry on a regular basis . I think sometimes we'll get away with a little dog doing job of big dog but you will never get away with big dog doing job of little dog

[howdeeposxxt 1,448]

Hard terriers need not be big or over-sized ? Just work in a different manner that's all.

Edited March 10, 2016 by howdeeposxxt

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

We never know what's going on underground. As long as you're getting the result and the dog isn't giving up then thats all you can ask for.

I've seen a bitch, that was ruthless on a fox, bolt them from single hole earths on numerous occasions, some would say 'oh the dog's shite, it lets them past', but I reckon a more truthful account is that she went in all guns blazing and the fox managed to get by while they were rolling about and was away.

[matt1979 766]

 

 

Where I grew up you would barely see a fell type terrier, I never saw a border occasionally lakey type. Those who worked terriers locally generally had the old jrt and in truth a bolter often suited the work they did as often it wasn't always legitimate and they worked with lurchers as well. I don't question your point about a stayer being more valued or harder to come by. But I do thinks it's harsh to label others types cowards when perhaps they were breed to suit the needs of those who kept them atb

The dog has something about it or it wouldn't enter a bb d search out Charlie,but then when the fox pushes the terrier backs off when that fox keeps pushing and the terrier is ejected from the earth tail between its legs where's that leave you and your lurchers,it may suit some but a man that prides himself on terrier work wouldn't wear it

The bitch in question had been dug to plenty downsveiw and never once backed out of anywhere to my knowledge. She generally bolted the fox, so would I guess on occasions she was pushed about by her quarry, but not pushed out. I am no expert but I would guess under the sod things always vary and like most species survival instinct kicks in. Bolting wasn't really an issue if lurchers were on top. In my eyes she will remain and tough little cookie To others she is a coward strange game really atb

[Pick and bar 381]

I wrote a long and passionate reply to all of this, and then thought hey! Different ground, different expectations, breed, man on the shovel,pleasure,business etc.

That's why we have opinions and arguments.

So I deleted it.

[Dabhand 887]

On the subject of old timers and big terriers

 

An old welsh huntsman told me when i was a kid

There is no need to keep a 17mm spanner to loosen a 10mm nut

That is somthing that pops in to my head from time to time

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Love these people that think a big hard terrier is best they forget about dropping half a dozen holes because they big hard terrier can't get on to a little vixen or August cub. I don't think that it is always the case of a terrier is a coward because sometimes a fox passes the dog in the contact area there is more room cause the dog is smaller and fox get passed in the tumble of a fight and a bolt is made . So is that little bolting dog a coward ? But in my book the dog should stay if needed till dug too. There dogs for different occasions in my opinion . Not many terriers are ideal for both types of quarry on a regular basis . I think sometimes we'll get away with a little dog doing job of big dog but you will never get away with big dog doing job of little dog

OK mate don't spit your dummy out lol.... Ive seen plenty of game terriers that are just your average size dog....getting off subject a bit..but when the diggers get close and and foxy gets pushy it's the little clever Bayer that gives way causing the need for more than one dig..and the old timers wouldn't relish the idea of more time spent locasting the dog before a dig could even begin ..no bellman in them days.