Old Timers

[rob284 1,682]

Love these people that think a big hard terrier is best they forget about dropping half a dozen holes because they big hard terrier can't get on to a little vixen or August cub. I don't think that it is always the case of a terrier is a coward because sometimes a fox passes the dog in the contact area there is more room cause the dog is smaller and fox get passed in the tumble of a fight and a bolt is made . So is that little bolting dog a coward ? But in my book the dog should stay if needed till dug too. There dogs for different occasions in my opinion . Not many terriers are ideal for both types of quarry on a regular basis . I think sometimes we'll get away with a little dog doing job of big dog but you will never get away with big dog doing job of little dog

if you have a big dog you wouldnt put it in a small earth, same reason you wouldnt put a 13lb terrier in an earth with tubes 20" in diameter. Dogs for jobs.

[fat man 4,741]

Agree with Rob,nobody is going to put a big terrier in a pulled out rabbit place or small earth and also a terrier dont need to be big to do a good job.Foxbolter what about the fox that wont bolt for your little bayer,your the one that will be digging like a mole unless you can call the dog out.Seen it a few year ago with a mates bitch[very well bred] but although she would stay for ever every time you were about to break through she would let the quarry push her and all the digging was a waste,in the end we would have to try and dig back a bit behind the terrier and then trench into her,unnessesary digging but the only way to avoid digging twice.Anyone that works with a hound pack will prefer a little bolting type,same with lads using lurchers on top but most terrier lads imo prefer a good dig,i personally would prefer 1 good dig in the day to 3-4 bolts,jmho.

[hjckcff 1,738]

 

i had a wee russell xlakie that would do that FD. she really had a knack for bolting foxes. i seen with my own eyes when she would coax a fox forward baying and driving at it. when the fox pushed forward she would move a little back she was quick and would strike at the fox and step back also. untill the fox had the chance to bolt down a side tube' or in a wider erea she let them past her. i once saw one go over the top of her. as a digging dog she was a cull. but for bolting foxes she was a godsend. for the purist digging lads its an unforgivable sin and i understand there reasoning.

 

this would be put down to cowardice but i swear this little bitch knew what the plan was and was out as fast as the fox. the only bite she took whilst with me was when she got netted up alongside her foe lol. she was 10 inch tts and about twelve pounds. there is more than one way to skin a cat

What for instance if the fox decided he was not in a hurry to bolt,would the bitch stay with him or come away,not picking as you probab;ly had loads of foxs with her in double quick time but if she moved with her fox and it didnt bolt how were you going to dig to her as each time you wpould come close the fox would surely put more presure on and the bitch would move with it again,as said a handy tool for bolting but for the long haul maybe not.

 

firstly 9 times out of ten done correctly will bolt.if they dont . you weigh up your options . sit back and wait for a bolt or enter a dog that can be dug the bitch in question was no use for digging. i should mention she could call out no problem. and tried from a different hole. or tied back to enter a more suitable terrier . ive had two or three terriers i could use in a similar style. and there was always other terriers that could be called on. but the little bolters got the most use. . i havnt got a good little un for the first time in years and i sure do miss one

[hjckcff 1,738]

 

i had a wee russell xlakie that would do that FD. she really had a knack for bolting foxes. i seen with my own eyes when she would coax a fox forward baying and driving at it. when the fox pushed forward she would move a little back she was quick and would strike at the fox and step back also. untill the fox had the chance to bolt down a side tube' or in a wider erea she let them past her. i once saw one go over the top of her. as a digging dog she was a cull. but for bolting foxes she was a godsend. for the purist digging lads its an unforgivable sin and i understand there reasoning.

 

this would be put down to cowardice but i swear this little bitch knew what the plan was and was out as fast as the fox. the only bite she took whilst with me was when she got netted up alongside her foe lol. she was 10 inch tts and about twelve pounds. there is more than one way to skin a cat

Yes [bANNED TEXT] she was a coward

lets just say she wasnt the bravest lol. a cull in a kennel for digging. but a handy dog for a pester

 

[foxbolter 447]

Foxbolter never mentioned a Bayer did he people think a bolting dog is a Bayer which is not always the case if you had a fox in a very deep rock pile a Bayer wouldn't do because Freddie fox would lay there comfortable where as if a little mixer got in there would he then be so comfortable and may then pass the little dog and bolt so which then would be the best bolting dog ? Bolter don't always mean cowards that's just my point. I do think that there is too many people with big strain of terrier there's not enough looking after the smaller ones it worries me because I think it's easy to up size but not so easy to bring it back down . I do get your point fat man but I think you are talking of digging different quarry to me but I don't see a problem with a Bayer as long as he stands is ground when needed don't see the point of constantly hard dog especially for ur game as it will be forever in the kennels.

[rob284 1,682]

On the subject of old timers and big terriers

 

An old welsh huntsman told me when i was a kid

There is no need to keep a 17mm spanner to loosen a 10mm nut

That is somthing that pops in to my head from time to time

ive always used a 17 for a 10mm bolt ?

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Foxbolter never mentioned a Bayer did he people think a bolting dog is a Bayer which is not always the case if you had a fox in a very deep rock pile a Bayer wouldn't do because Freddie fox would lay there comfortable where as if a little mixer got in there would he then be so comfortable and may then pass the little dog and bolt so which then would be the best bolting dog ? Bolter don't always mean cowards that's just my point. I do think that there is too many people with big strain of terrier there's not enough looking after the smaller ones it worries me because I think it's easy to up size but not so easy to bring it back down . I do get your point fat man but I think you are talking of digging different quarry to me but I don't see a problem with a Bayer as long as he stands is ground when needed don't see the point of constantly hard dog especially for ur game as it will be forever in the kennels.

Its a fine between a dog getting pushed about because it hasn't the weight but guts to a dog that is balanced for the job .

Hole fillers are fine but sometimes can't get whereas a smaller type may get but not have the weight or presence to keep foxy in the stop .I've known a fair few spot on for most ocassions but have no idea what weight or size they were as I've never been bothered by stats just results .I have seen terriers on the big side get into some life threatening tight spots that would of taken their lives but for quick digging and quick thinking on breaking through ,terriers that would die trying where a smaller type would of sat safe .The flip side is that smaller dog getting walked over if there's room or dragged about if it has hold .When badgers were on the list all those years ago from what I remember I never remember a good small one that stood the test of time ,weight mattered .Fox these days is a far cry from memory and a small dog will suit some lads where a bolt is hoped for .The dogs of yesteryear were better tested as we all know but the fox is not without fire either .

[foxbolter 447]

I agree foxdropper I take a dislike to a terrier that let's a fox push it about but have great respect for a terrier that will try is best. My preference is a small terrier as for the size of earth's and quarry I work I can manage with a small one but I couldn't manage with a big one if you understand. And this is why I worry about size and say it's easy to size up but not down. All the best

[howdeeposxxt 1,448]

What about an average size terrier lets talk bout them which I think their more common, well around my area anyway, Say the right sized terrier can do a bit a both in all sized earth or am I getting to technical talking short legged russel been small and bull pat been on the big size, I would like to think my terrier are average size I would nt class them as small and on the other hand big. Ill have to get out the tape but their is the terrier in the middle. I think we are getting to caught up in thinking that the more aggressive type are of over sized clowns. Which is far from the truth.

[neil cooney 10,416]

I was watching The Fieldsports Channel and Charlie mentioned that this 2 year old video has been causing a stir on the almighty Farcebook.

Anyways, maybe the lads in the video are members here but my questions are.........

Would you consider their method old school or modern day ?

After all, they did get the lamb killer but could they have done things different because they're old school or where they spot on because they were up to date with todays terrierwork ?

Just trying to cause some debate.

Opinions please ?

[Ryan1993 4]

Would have been lot easier to shoot in hole...

[neil cooney 10,416]

Would have been lot easier to shoot in hole...

A farmer once said to me "will you shoot it in the hole ?"

I said "No, in the head, always in the head."

[neil cooney 10,416]

Would have been lot easier to shoot in hole...

But I agree, less chance of him escaping.

[timmy k 591]

I'll tell you what I think. That camera man is a c**t!! Leaving that poor old fella to do all the digging, all the back filling and then carry a dead fox and 4 half lambs whilst the lazy fooker sits in the car filming him

[fat man 4,741]

What about an average size terrier lets talk bout them which I think their more common, well around my area anyway, Say the right sized terrier can do a bit a both in all sized earth or am I getting to technical talking short legged russel been small and bull pat been on the big size, I would like to think my terrier are average size I would nt class them as small and on the other hand big. Ill have to get out the tape but their is the terrier in the middle. I think we are getting to caught up in thinking that the more aggressive type are of over sized clowns. Which is far from the truth.

When i 1st started with terriers all we had about us were mostly bullxrussells of every % and although some were a bit rough most were good steady digging dogs and size wise could work both quarry[pre-ban] without fuss.People nowadays when thay hear the name bull mentioned in terriers they straight away think too big and too aggressive but i have seen and worked a good few of them that were of normal size and steadier than a lot of other breeds of terrier.A fox in a tight hole or pulled out rabbit burrow will cause problems for any terrier regardless of size as some of the places they get you would not get your fist in and you only have to see a fox skint to realise why they can get such places.I personally prefer a terrier with a bit of size to it as not to get pushed about,might take them a little longer to get there but you know when they do the fox is not geting past them unless it can bolt out a different exit.The terriers i keep all can work most earths with ease bar 1 dog which does struggle in tight spots but gets there given time.