Working Land Without Permission

[bendrover 556]

Right to roam not right to poach ?

where did i mention poaching ??????

[LurcherLad94 2,582]

I love to run on land were in not supposed to be,I don't bother to ask for permission anymore I just run where I want but still respect the ground and livestock ect

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

 

Right to roam not right to poach ?

where did i mention poaching ??????

you know what your getting at, but if u got caught with a lamp n dogs and few rabbits are u just roaming or poaching...

[Qbgrey 4,067]

 

I'm a poacher my dogs are poaching dogs, thats how its always been and thats how it will always be, never had permission in my life, but i do have respect for the quarry the land and livestock. but unless i made a promise man to man, not to back track on a mans permission then il trespass on any mans land or permission, to me its just a free world, if i made a promise not to back track though il stick to that no matter what

 

and oh yea if anyones akita or any other dog attacks my dog, in a way that makes me fear for my safety or my dogs safety then "you" will be carrying "your dog" home

 

Cocker, would you protect your property?( if u own any)cracks me up these chaps that will come on someone's ground then will kill a mans dog cause they feel threatened,what do u expect,a red carpet and cup of tea.not a true poacher .

[Lenmcharristar 9,724]

Jax what happens when badgers are digging in your rose fields for worms and wreck the fields too? From what I've read the badgers dig more than dogs damage by running over it. It's your land but would you phone the police if the badgers wreck the field or would you sort the problem another way? Just interested

[Jax13 251]

Jax what happens when badgers are digging in your rose fields for worms and wreck the fields too? From what I've read the badgers dig more than dogs damage by running over it. It's your land but would you phone the police if the badgers wreck the field or would you sort the problem another way? Just interested

We have never had problems from badgers digging to be honest.

 

Foxes are more nuisance and are controlled if they start getting too close (we keep poultry and geese as well as my uncle having racing pigeons)

 

Hare don't appear very often but when they do don't do much damage to anything other than field grown conifers as they will strip the bark off about a foot up and knackered them.

 

The rabbits will strip leaves off some varieties of roses for food, others they will eat off at ground level to reinstate their runs. 2 years ago we planted on a field of ours that has a main road one side, houses at both ends and borders an estate that won't give me pest control rights on the other side. Despite doing what I could safely with the airgun and ferreting where it is accessible AND wiring in the trees we estimated that we lost in the region of 4k more trees than normal to bunny damage alone. Sell these at £8 each retail and the potential loss is daft. That year we ended up buying in about £3k worth of rose trees from other growers just to fulfill trade preorders we had.

 

If badger damage started to become an issue we would probably just wire in the trees with sheep netting or dig in the chicken wire rather than folding it out at the bottom.

 

 

The issue with the dogs is that at the moment, next year's crop has just been topped off. This means there is no plant growth to protect the graft from being snapped off and they are still fairly fragile. One good run on a tricky bunny across them and it could easily be a few hundred quid of damage in lost trees and this is why it's so irritating. It becomes a bit more than 'just a couple of bunnies' when you start costing people their wages!

[morton 5,368]

i know this will probably be met with a bit of hostility on here but what the hell!

 

why do people bother running their dogs on land without permission?

 

i was out foxing a couple of nights ago with a mate on my own land and i saw an amber filtered lamp scanning my neighbours fields a short distance down the lane. I have rights on there as well as (rather obviously) our own land so I took it upon myself to wander down to one of our other fields a little closer to where the offending beam of light came from. once we reached the field i could here scurrying and 3 chaps with lurchers were trying (in vain) to remove themselves from land they shouldn't have been on.

 

I called over and had a quick chat and tried to explain that they had no right to be on there, they were putting their own dogs in danger and also that as we were shooting on there we had a log open with the police (due to one neighbour who is a complete $£"&^% and will try and cause trouble whenever she sees me out with the gun - just one of the reasons we switched over to nv in the first place) so if they were called they'd be screwed.

 

Their defence was simply "we're only after a couple of rabbits" and after admitting they didn't speak to anyone regarding working the land went on to say they were going to work the fields down the lane on their way back to the car.

 

 

now, I know for a fact a lot of guys on here work land without permission and you may see it as harmless but there could have been a couple of different outcomes from this. 1, the field of ours they were on is where the inlaws let their dogs out and without being funny a territorial akita who doesn't play well with others is going to make short work of a small lurcher if she gets hold of it! 2, the father in law is a lot less tolerant than me and 3, if they are seen on my permissions again (and i'm usually out a few times a week with the gun) I will simply follow from a distance with the nv and wait for them to find their vehicle again and will do something down official channels to stop them poaching on our land and our neighbours. and there is existing date stamped footage and there will be further video evidence thanks to the dvr on my nv rig.

 

this may seem OTT for someone after a couple of bunnies but to me, the principle of it is just wrong. had the dogs gone through onto the adjacent field where next years rose crop is they could have done a lot of damage and cost us a hell of a lot of money in lost trees as they are now at their most vulnerable point of growth, there are also areas that are fenced in with chicken wire which the dog (going from our own experiences) probably won't see it in the dark, even under the lamp and they could badly hurt themselves if they went into it also, had they actually had the decency to come and ask if they could run their dogs on the land we would have happily allowed them on but pointed out where we didn't want them to be. we would also have made sure the risk of a shooting accident was removed as if i don't know they are there then i don't know if my safe shot is actually safe. if i mistook a mooching lurcher / terrior in the bottom of a hedgerow for a fox at 250+ yards i'd be mortified.

 

I spoke to the farmer next door to see if he had given anyone permission and he hasn't either and has asked me to report it immediately and let him know if i see the lamps again as they are coming towards lambing season and he has had losses before (when he farmed in yorkshire) through dog men and poorly trained lurchers.

 

so lads, think on and have a bit of respect - its this sort of behaviour from people in the sport that give it a bad name for everyone else and i reckon the primary reason so many people find it hard to actually get permisison in the first place.

The reality of life is the fact that the majority of folk with a lurcher get a lurcher before permission,then the need to graft it regardless.Thats possibly how the majority of us started in the game.Then its how we conduct ourselves that sets the example that lurcher owners are tarred with,possibly why lurcher owners are seen as the scum of the hunting world.The majority of lurcher owners are more than responsible about their hunting activities,permission or not,the minority are twats that tar the rest of us.You may have to learn to live with the twats and understand that the majority of us share the same hunting and moral outlook as yourself.When open minded landowners and responsible lurcher owners see past the prejudice that each encounters,they have much in common.

[David Aiken 253]

And in Farmers Weekly this week!

 

Man fined for poaching on farm ‘was just catching a rabbit’

He was carrying a dead rabbit and was accompanied by a Lurcher-type dog. When officers challenged him he replied he was “just catching a rabbit”. He was fined £155 and had all of the items on him at the time of the offence seized by officers and then forfeited. This included lamping equipment and battery packs.

http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/man-fined-for-poaching-was-just-catching-a-rabbit.htm

[bendrover 556]

 

 

Right to roam not right to poach ?

where did i mention poaching ??????

you know what your getting at, but if u got caught with a lamp n dogs and few rabbits are u just roaming or poaching...

no . Im actually saying that said akita would be pts . As you know , our right of access allows myself and the general public to walk where ever with very little do nots. This lad / laddy sees all there land as being a back garden .im only stating , not in scotland . Thankfully.

[singles 56]

If there were a 1000 farms and 6000 hunters , not everyone could have permission !! And for sure , its not only people tresspassing/mouching that bend the rules , certain species get controlled where shoots with young birds and promoting ground game are concerned ,not to mention the small shoots where everything that moves is fair game for the waiting guns ....

[bendrover 556]

If there were a 1000 farms and 6000 hunters , not everyone could have permission !! And for sure , its not only people tresspassing/mouching that bend the rules , certain species get controlled where shoots with young birds and promoting ground game are concerned ,not to mention the small shoots where everything that moves is fair game for the waiting guns ....

good post singles . People in glass houses ....

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

Out of interest, do those with no perm at all, ever ask? Not having ground won't stop me hunting, but I always try to get it legit, and its usually not too hard?

I know lads who can knock 5 farms and come away with 5 new permissions. I think your face has gotta fit and some lads have got the gift of the gab. Could sell Ice to the Eskimos, you know the type.

 

I've been door knocking on and off for best part of 10 years now and had very little success. I've got 2 golf courses which I can lamp with written permission, a smallish farm with ferreting only permission and no dogs allowed and have just acquired (today) some crow decoying on a really big dairy farm.

 

I've no interest in crow decoying. But it's the only pest control he wants doing at the moment, and I know that there are much more interesting species on his land, so I'm seeing this as a "foot in the door" if you like.

 

I only got this latest permission due to a member on here pointing me in the right direction and giving me the farmers name.

 

I must have knocked hundreds of doors and just get told no thanks, we don't need anyone or someone already comes on here. I always dress smart, I'm fairly well spoken, always greet them good morning or good afternoon and apologise for disturbing them.

 

I put it down to being ugly as sin, 6' 2" and 18 stone with a shaved head.

 

Be we will keep on keeping on ??

 

As a side note, I agree with you ideation, the odd time I'm out on my permission or on an invite on permission it is lovely. More relaxed, no looking over the shoulder.

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

I found it difficult at first with asking. But I realised where I was going wrong...I wasn't asking enough lol I must of asked shed loads of farmers and so on. And it's paid off really. I got land to shoot with air guns, I got land to ferret, and 3/4 fairly tidy lamping permissions with most stuff on, the only down side really is I have to travel 1hour to 1-30 mins. Which don't put me off really but prefer it closer. Haha... It really does make the night far more enjoyable, anyone who says they prefer poaching, have never hunted or lamped on permission...it's great. Park the car safe on the farm, extra time to sort the dogs out, no risk of anything unless travelling with something.

[morton 5,368]

 

 

Out of interest, do those with no perm at all, ever ask? Not having ground won't stop me hunting, but I always try to get it legit, and its usually not too hard?

I know lads who can knock 5 farms and come away with 5 new permissions. I think your face has gotta fit and some lads have got the gift of the gab. Could sell Ice to the Eskimos, you know the type.

 

I've been door knocking on and off for best part of 10 years now and had very little success. I've got 2 golf courses which I can lamp with written permission, a smallish farm with ferreting only permission and no dogs allowed and have just acquired (today) some crow decoying on a really big dairy farm.

 

I've no interest in crow decoying. But it's the only pest control he wants doing at the moment, and I know that there are much more interesting species on his land, so I'm seeing this as a "foot in the door" if you like.

 

I only got this latest permission due to a member on here pointing me in the right direction and giving me the farmers name.

 

I must have knocked hundreds of doors and just get told no thanks, we don't need anyone or someone already comes on here. I always dress smart, I'm fairly well spoken, always greet them good morning or good afternoon and apologise for disturbing them.

 

I put it down to being ugly as sin, 6' 2" and 18 stone with a shaved head.

 

Be we will keep on keeping on

 

As a side note, I agree with you ideation, the odd time I'm out on my permission or on an invite on permission it is lovely. More relaxed, no looking over the shoulder.

 

Ive knocked farm doors more than a Dales burglar,after a while it became evident it was a wasted exercise,yet every time we hunted in the Dales,which was often,we carried on knocking.i would not be exaggerating to say it took me 30 years to get the permission i did,but it did.I hunted with lads that got better permission the first time they knocked,i knew i was an ugly twat,but 30 years.

[Daniel cain 44,992]

Would you not be in the shit if your akita attacked someone?not under control etc?personally if it went for me or one of my dogs I would open the cnut up in front of you.come ranting and raving with a rifle and I make you bankrupt,I always respect the land and try and stay to permission but sometimes in the dark get lost.atb dc