Leaving The Eu

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

 

 

We sell in the EU and import from the EU. For those sales to take place there is a demand on both sides. If we leave the EU does that demand disappear? Does it feck! There is no reason on this earth why it should, plus without the mindless bureaucracy that the EU creates to try and justify it's position. They could even have the goods cheaper as the firms are not tied to that money sapping, quango that is the EU.

 

TC

we barely sell f**k all to the eu without looking at figures I know the french dont buy our cheese or our alcohol, no one bought our cars so now we have no car industry, all the shipyards went bust, you name it they dont buy it. Ill guess the only major export we have is arms and frankly theres no shortage of takers outside the eu for that.

mate Europe buys shit loads of are fish everything from scallops too prawns cockles crab lobster and whisky pate there are a shit load of things Europe buy from Britain

and as for whisky france is our biggest scotch buyer in the eu yet we buy more champagne off them than they do whiskey and thats just one drink think of all the wine, lager etc we buy. Scotch sales in france are also plummetting, why? Because of a new tax imposed on foreign alcohol sales!!! Hows that for a free trade agreement!

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

 

We sell in the EU and import from the EU. For those sales to take place there is a demand on both sides. If we leave the EU does that demand disappear? Does it feck! There is no reason on this earth why it should, plus without the mindless bureaucracy that the EU creates to try and justify it's position. They could even have the goods cheaper as the firms are not tied to that money sapping, quango that is the EU.

 

TC

 

Of course the demand doesn't dissappear but the goods cost increase through protectionist taxation making those goods less competitive in the market.

I think it's entirely probable we'll renegotiate some sort of second rate deal and we'll all still be drinking champagne while driving German cars in Italian suits! LOL.

I just like to understand the situation as fully as possible. And you don't learn shit by nodding in agreement with everyone.

The "protectionist taxation" works both way though, does it not? It seems we take 16% of the EU's exports above the USA who take 15%. Do you really think that they are going to risk us sourcing elsewhere just for a fit of pique?

 

TC

It does of course and as a result both lose market share to other global competitors. Everyone looses out but it hits the UK harder because UK trade with the EU is greater than each individual member state's trade with the UK. Each EU member only looses free trade with one country, whereas the UK looses free trade with all EU members.

 

It really just depends how resolute the EU strategists are in seeing Brexit fail, if indeed they do want it to fail. They might be really cool and amicable and just want to renegotiate a fair trade deal....

Edited March 7, 2016 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,763]

And of course it depends on how competitive we will be outside the common market.... We might not lose much market share in our key industries if even with imposed tariffs we are still the cheapest.

Edited March 7, 2016 by Born Hunter

[Guest ragumup]

IF "we lose abit of money on trade then fine ,it will still have to be more than 55 million a day we are currently paying to be shafted by the EU and at least we will have our sovereignty back.

[Tiercel 6,986]

Interesting read.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11221427/EU-budget-what-you-need-to-know.html

 

TC

[BIGLURKS 874]

Interesting read.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11221427/EU-budget-what-you-need-to-know.html

 

TC

good link that tiercel if any of use lads want a good read and are not as savy as the rest of the world like me it really does explan a lot I was surprised they even let the paper realese it

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Interesting read.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11221427/EU-budget-what-you-need-to-know.html

 

TC

 

So according to that our net contribution to the EU each day in 2013 was over £23M! Second largest net contributor to the EU.

 

But putting that into perspective. It was 1.2% of government expenditure or 0.5% of GDP.

[BIGLURKS 874]

 

 

Interesting read.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11221427/EU-budget-what-you-need-to-know.html

 

TC

So according to that our net contribution to the EU each day in 2013 was over £23M! Second largest net contributor to the EU.

 

But putting that into perspective. It was 1.2% of government expenditure or 0.5% of GDP.

for some of us that are not clued up born hunter you fancy explaining it a bit more

[Born Hunter 17,763]

One thing is quite clear. The UK is extremely strong economically amongst our European peers. Time and again we shoulder the 'burden' of strength in this socialist project. It's foolish to say we won't potentially see harder times, but if any EU member can walk alone, it's the United Kingdom.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

 

Interesting read.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11221427/EU-budget-what-you-need-to-know.html

 

TC

So according to that our net contribution to the EU each day in 2013 was over £23M! Second largest net contributor to the EU.

 

But putting that into perspective. It was 1.2% of government expenditure or 0.5% of GDP.

for some of us that are not clued up born hunter you fancy explaining it a bit more

 

 

I'll have a proper read of it and digest it a bit. I'm not really clued up per se, but I can try to point out a few things I see as key points, as I'm sure others will.

 

It's interest looking at the actual economic facts but I think the more significant point in this debate is where the EU is going politically. I'm totally satisfied that our national security is better protected outside the EU. I'm cautiously comfortable with the economics of Brexit. The politics is the real decider in this. The progressive integration into an EU superstate under one government scares the shit out of me.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

One thing is quite clear. The UK is extremely strong economically amongst our European peers. Time and again we shoulder the 'burden' of strength in this socialist project. It's foolish to say we won't potentially see harder times, but if any EU member can walk alone, it's the United Kingdom.

 

Dead right BH!

The like of the newer Eastern states, Italy, Greece, Portugal and Spain are lumbered with membership - their economies are too fragile and reliant on EU support.

We, on the other hand, can 'go it alone' perfectly well ! There may be a few initial teething problems but, by God, we've come through a hell of a lot worse........

 

I firmly believe that the whole corrupt house of cards will come crashing down, within my lifetime. I want to be around to see it happen, I don't want to be a member of it, when it does !

[Truther 1,579]

"Oh yes. It's not just individuals who overspend on their credit cards. The EU was accused earlier this month of “breathtaking hypocrisy” in demanding the extra payment from Westminster despite failing its own audit.

The European Court of Auditors found that £109bn out of a total of £117bnspent by the EU in 2013 was "affected by material error”.

It means that the accounts submitted by Brussels have not been given the all clear for almost two decades"

I'd like to see a definition of "material error"

I don't think you have to go much past the EU expenditure graph to realise farming subsidies are a con job, any industrial based nation with less farming is always going to be on a loser, any economy where farming makes up a good percentage of national productivity seems to be on a winner? Funny how France was the country pushing for agricultural subsidies as part of the free trade deals, looks like getting your balance of agriculture/industrialisation right means what you lose in contributions, you can regain in farming subsidies

There was a scandal in the late 70's when it came out France was claiming farming subsidies for allotment holders, tending their allotment, then going to do a shift in their local steelworks Not a lots changed by the look of it?

Read all the official figures you like, it won't answer the real question, whichever way you cut it non of it will tell us the financial difference between out or in, atm all you can see is a 10.8 billion deficit between contribution and benefit for the UK?

OUT, and no amount of book cooking can convince me otherwise.

[WILF 46,786]

It's been a bit bizarre here really, they are making a big thing of the Easter Rising anniversary which led to independence from Great Britain.......odd to think they gave the country away again when they joined the Euro and voted for the treaty!!

 

However, the ordinary folk are clued up on how to play the EU........and they most certainly do stand up for themselves against the government.

[BGD 6,436]

So Clarkson has come out as a raging Europhile His old pal David the Pigfucker calling in a favour?

 

Sure a few of his fans are disappointed in him.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-clarkson-calls-britain-stay-7548643

[Hydropotesinermis 724]

Clarkson is and always has been a c**t.