treecreeper 1,136 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 all pms answered 1 Quote Link to post
pianoman 3,587 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) I can't see the rifle in the links so, I'll have to imagine it. £1,695 for what is a Weihrauch HW77K. (How old is the donor HW77??) And a standard Weihrauch cylinder and barrel, but some internal gubbins, a spring and a Custom stock. They cost about £185 if from Custom Stock of Sheffield. So far so good.NOW THEN! I have a 9-year old HW77 rifle, full size .22 version in a factory-standard ambidextrous stock (no cheek-piece on the butt) but it's got a lovely figured grain and spotless beech one. I'm left handed. My rifle has had no fancy additional tuning bits or accessory bling added, it's all bog standard Weihrauch HW77 .22. Inside and out. What it has had done, is a good fettle throughout and internal polish to perfection by a good shooting pal of mine who knows his spring guns inside out. I don't know what the hell he's done in the details, but he has eliminated almost all the recoil to just a little bit of vibration. You can stand a pellet on the scope's flat turret cap and it will only slightly move, but, not fall off when you fire the rifle. He recut the spring to a better finish than Weihrauch sent it out in. It cocks as smooth and silent as it's possible to get with an underlever spring rifle and the only things that makes any sound is a faint little whisper of air in the cylinder and the underlever clicking back into place in the detent on cocking and resetting the underlever.It is just the most accurate, sub-12 ft/lb air rifle I have ever owned and it cost me less than £500 brand new and nothing but a few beers for the work he did. It goes out with me in pissing down rain to hot summer days, to cold winter stalks in the woods. And after a wipe down with a bit of gun oil on a rag it still looks bloody immaculate. Not a scratch or a pinhead of rust anywhere in the blueing and still it shoots absolutely beautiful through it all.It hits and knocks down everything I shoot it at. And if it misses, it's down to my error not the rifle's. It will put one H&N FIELD TARGET TROPHY 5.53 pellet through the hole of another all day at 40 yards. And it won its spring rifle class in its first competition outing and won a few others since. It's my primary hunting tool for farmyard pigeons and rats and rabbits and squirrels out in the fields. That's all it was bought to do. And it does it superbly. No fannying about.Now tell me that £1,695 buys a far superior rifle. Because if it honestly is, this would have to be an air rifle of absolute outstanding accuracy and smoothness in performance. Way beyond that of a top line PCP.But it certainly won't be. A raggy one-hole group is the same thing. A raggy one hole group, regardless of costs. You just don't have to pay silly money to achieve it Edited February 6, 2016 by pianoman 4 Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,807 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I can't see the rifle in the links so, I'll have to imagine it. £1,695 for what is a Weihrauch HW77K. (How old is the donor HW77??) And a standard Weihrauch cylinder and barrel, but some internal gubbins, a spring and a Custom stock. They cost about £185 if from Custom Stock of Sheffield. So far so good. NOW THEN! I have a 9-year old HW77 rifle, full size .22 version in a factory-standard ambidextrous stock (no cheek-piece on the butt) but it's got a lovely figured grain and spotless beech one. I'm left handed. My rifle has had no fancy additional tuning bits or accessory bling added, it's all bog standard Weihrauch HW77 .22. Inside and out. What it has had done, is a good fettle throughout and internal polish to perfection by a good shooting pal of mine who knows his spring guns inside out. I don't know what the hell he's done in the details, but he has eliminated almost all the recoil to just a little bit of vibration. You can stand a pellet on the scope's flat turret cap and it will only slightly move, but, not fall off when you fire the rifle. He recut the spring to a better finish than Weihrauch sent it out in. It cocks as smooth and silent as it's possible to get with an underlever spring rifle and the only things that makes any sound is a faint little whisper of air in the cylinder and the underlever clicking back into place in the detent on cocking and resetting the underlever. It is just the most accurate, sub-12 ft/lb air rifle I have ever owned and it cost me less than £500 brand new and nothing but a few beers for the work he did. It goes out with me in pissing down rain to hot summer days, to cold winter stalks in the woods. And after a wipe down with a bit of gun oil on a rag it still looks bloody immaculate. Not a scratch or a pinhead of rust anywhere in the blueing and still it shoots absolutely beautiful through it all. It hits and knocks down everything I shoot it at. And if it misses, it's down to my error not the rifle's. It will put one H&N FIELD TARGET TROPHY 5.53 pellet through the hole of another all day at 40 yards. And it won its spring rifle class in its first competition outing and won a few others since. It's my primary hunting tool for farmyard pigeons and rats and rabbits and squirrels out in the fields. That's all it was bought to do. And it does it superbly. No fannying about. Now tell me that £1,695 buys a far superior rifle. Because if it honestly is, this would have to be an air rifle of absolute outstanding accuracy and smoothness in performance. Way beyond that of a top line PCP. But it certainly won't be. A raggy one-hole group is the same thing. A raggy one hole group, regardless of costs. You just don't have to pay silly money to achieve it That one must of sold Simon but have a look at this 97k for the price of £1095 atvbmac :thumbs: Quote Link to post
treecreeper 1,136 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I saw that one mac, bet it weighs a tonne. 1 Quote Link to post
pianoman 3,587 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I guess the stock must be the bulk of the cost factor in this HW97K Mac. I never found these things attractive. It still comes down to correct hold technique on our part to get the best from a spring rifle's accuracy. But a super-smooth internal set up is definite help! I suppose they make it comfortable to bring on aim from a sitting position to your eye-line with the scope for competition target shooting, though personally, I think HFT at least,should be all about the standard factory air rifle and scope you take out in the hunting field. Not this great lump! 2 Quote Link to post
villaman 9,983 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I cant see that one shooting any better than my home tuned 97k in .177 and .22 with a 4 FPS spread over 20 or so pellets !! 2 Quote Link to post
charlie caller 3,654 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Its quite literally, fu*king horrible 2 Quote Link to post
Rez 4,961 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Blackpool Airguns had a v-mached '77 on their site sometime ago now, with forester wood work, might still be on there for like 795 or something and they soon lowered the asking price when they realised they'd been smokin to much green. It was lowered to 595 or close too. Same will happen to this one, mark my words. 3 Quote Link to post
jonnie bravo 572 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Yep. There private commission ones tend to be a little bit pricier. Quote Link to post
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