Blackbriar 8,569 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Skip to the paragraph headed "Did Cameron get what he wanted ?"........... .........and you'll see that the answer is " NO !" EU referendum: Draft reform deal worth fighting for, says Cameron - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35467479 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yorkshire 151 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 agree with tiercel on this Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Latest.... EU referendum: Leaders 'not happy' with UK reform proposals - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35489335 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil82 1,080 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Skip to the paragraph headed "Did Cameron get what he wanted ?"........... .........and you'll see that the answer is " NO !" EU referendum: Draft reform deal worth fighting for, says Cameron - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35467479 wrong, he got what HE wanted, something the spineless b*****d thought he could use to get us to calm down over europe, no matter what they negotiate for us its time we got the chance to vote over staying in the EU and having a choice over what happens in the UK, that's something we`ve never had a chance to do since the EU was taken over by dickheads, the only vote we`ve had was over entering a common market, biggest obstacle to having a vote is too many overpaid wankers with connections think they will end up unemployed, but IF they were any good they would still have some sort of job as UK ambassadors, just have to stick to rules that might pass an audit (rather than the corrupt EU that no accountancy firm no matter how high the bribe offered has ever signed off their books) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil82 1,080 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Latest.... EU referendum: Leaders 'not happy' with UK reform proposals - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35489335 f**k them then, they need us more than we need them, most headlines in papers say that under the rules this dickhead has negotiated they will end up with more child benefit than UK citizens who should (debatable, even the queen got it) get it, at the end of the day Europe looks to suffer more of a loss by our exit than we could suffer by it, my take is this, if we vote for an exit and do suffer a bit of pain over it so be it, at least it was our choice, but there is no way we can end up like some of the countries lining up to join (and the ones who have recently joined), bring it on, things can`t get much worse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,786 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 The eu is just a big nursery state with ques of turd world types waiting to join just to flood the place with more shitslamic scum as what's already been happening, I say let Russia join Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tsteve9999 456 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 I heard him say on one interview that our children and grandchildren would look back at the deal and say how well he'd done. I reckon they will be too busy fighting the civil war that's coming 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Most people seem to think leaving the EU will make a big difference to immigration..............I don't see it? The genuine refugee's are fleeing conflicts started by us and the Yanks..............why would the rest of Europe take them in and not put pressure on us to take our share/the lions share.......Last time i looked America isn't in the EU...............They're taking refugees A large percentage of these "refugees" aren't coming from countries with any conflicts, Bangladesh, Pakkistan, Africa...........no legal basis whatsoever to enter Europe, but we're taking them There's been a big outbreak of Chinese in my town..........wtf are they doing here? Being out of the EU we shouldn't have to accept any European workers, but businesses here are reliant on them now, cheap factory fodder, some have settled here and bought houses, started their own businesses.................Not much chance of getting them out now...............If we just kicked them out business would suffer.............and you'd have to compulsary purchase their houses out of public funds..............Its not going to happen? So i don't see what actual differences being out will make to immigrants/foreign workers..............Because we leave the EU non of them will have to leave, the Eastern Europeans on the financial front..............and the scum on humanitarian grounds. The only difference will be the decisions will be made by our own governments (on behalf of the people that own us anyway) they won't have the "we can't do anything about it, its European law, its Brussels"................But they'll just use financial pressure and scaremongering to get their own way, it won't make any difference at all. We never have been legally bound to the EU anyway..............the deal was never legally finished.................its BS. Worst of all we'll sit back and say "well, what can we do about it"...............People are to busy watching soaps and x factor to worry about their country's and kids future................The world will end for people if they cant afford two foreign holidays, and his and hers cars. 40 odd years ago coal strikes/power cuts brought governments down..................Now they're taking out national identity, turning us into shitbreeds, ruining the NHS, education, cutting essential services to the bone, army, police, fire, cutting public services to the bone...........and we do/say f**k all about it.......................We deserve it.................Makes me wonder if such a weak, stupid society we've become is worth fighting for anymore? 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,786 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Most people seem to think leaving the EU will make a big difference to immigration..............I don't see it? The genuine refugee's are fleeing conflicts started by us and the Yanks..............why would the rest of Europe take them in and not put pressure on us to take our share/the lions share.......Last time i looked America isn't in the EU...............They're taking refugees A large percentage of these "refugees" aren't coming from countries with any conflicts, Bangladesh, Pakkistan, Africa...........no legal basis whatsoever to enter Europe, but we're taking them There's been a big outbreak of Chinese in my town..........wtf are they doing here? Being out of the EU we shouldn't have to accept any European workers, but businesses here are reliant on them now, cheap factory fodder, some have settled here and bought houses, started their own businesses.................Not much chance of getting them out now...............If we just kicked them out business would suffer.............and you'd have to compulsary purchase their houses out of public funds..............Its not going to happen? So i don't see what actual differences being out will make to immigrants/foreign workers..............Because we leave the EU non of them will have to leave, the Eastern Europeans on the financial front..............and the scum on humanitarian grounds. The only difference will be the decisions will be made by our own governments (on behalf of the people that own us anyway) they won't have the "we can't do anything about it, its European law, its Brussels"................But they'll just use financial pressure and scaremongering to get their own way, it won't make any difference at all. We never have been legally bound to the EU anyway..............the deal was never legally finished.................its BS. Worst of all we'll sit back and say "well, what can we do about it"...............People are to busy watching soaps and x factor to worry about their country's and kids future................The world will end for people if they cant afford two foreign holidays, and his and hers cars. 40 odd years ago coal strikes/power cuts brought governments down..................Now they're taking out national identity, turning us into shitbreeds, ruining the NHS, education, cutting essential services to the bone, army, police, fire, cutting public services to the bone...........and we do/say f**k all about it.......................We deserve it.................Makes me wonder if such a weak, stupid society we've become is worth fighting for anymore? your right mate,we've become weak, easily offended and most of the public nowadays are horrified at the thoughts that meat actually comes from an animal, fs. The anti, is the ruination of this nation, anti hunting, anti Britain, anti war, anti natives the human rights crap has taken away natural order in societies, humans are flock type they need a leader who takes the harder decisions not some soft twat who's never had a fight in his life Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 On a brighter note...... Despite Cameron having all the publicity, "Leave" look to have some momentum...... EU referendum: The view from Albion Street - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35470281 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 I agree Len, but if any leader that had the best interests of our country came forward they'd never get a chance, we only get to vote for people selected by the powers that be, anyone else never gets near..............Politics is a shame imo mate. I spent new years eve talking to a labour councillor at a party, i mentioned" non of the above" as a way to remove the existing system, he said if it went that route they'd just take control by force.............I pointed out that in that case he knew we didn't live in a democracy..............and he freely admitted it, if politicians don't think we live in a democracy what hope have we got? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,786 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 I agree Len, but if any leader that had the best interests of our country came forward they'd never get a chance, we only get to vote for people selected by the powers that be, anyone else never gets near..............Politics is a shame imo mate. I spent new years eve talking to a labour councillor at a party, i mentioned" non of the above" as a way to remove the existing system, he said if it went that route they'd just take control by force.............I pointed out that in that case he knew we didn't live in a democracy..............and he freely admitted it, if politicians don't think we live in a democracy what hope have we got? scary thought, I'd rather live under the Ruskie rules than ours, they look after their traditions and their own except gays etc, but not enforcing Islam upon his peoples 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) I agree Len, but if any leader that had the best interests of our country came forward they'd never get a chance, we only get to vote for people selected by the powers that be, anyone else never gets near..............Politics is a shame imo mate. I spent new years eve talking to a labour councillor at a party, i mentioned" non of the above" as a way to remove the existing system, he said if it went that route they'd just take control by force.............I pointed out that in that case he knew we didn't live in a democracy..............and he freely admitted it, if politicians don't think we live in a democracy what hope have we got? Inverted Totalitarianism. I've always and still do assert we live in a democracy, just that the electorate are too easily controlled to be free. It's totalitarianism through the manipulation of democracy. The Mob don't care for politics, they're emotional and reactionary, so long as this is true a democracy will always be controllable....... JMO. Edited February 5, 2016 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Out and never look back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 I agree Len, but if any leader that had the best interests of our country came forward they'd never get a chance, we only get to vote for people selected by the powers that be, anyone else never gets near..............Politics is a shame imo mate. I spent new years eve talking to a labour councillor at a party, i mentioned" non of the above" as a way to remove the existing system, he said if it went that route they'd just take control by force.............I pointed out that in that case he knew we didn't live in a democracy..............and he freely admitted it, if politicians don't think we live in a democracy what hope have we got? Inverted Totalitarianism. I've always and still do assert we live in a democracy, just that the electorate are too easily controlled to be free. It's totalitarianism through the manipulation of democracy. The Mob don't care for politics, they're emotional and reactionary, so long as this is true a democracy will always be controllable....... JMO. Strictly speaking BH i agree with that, its manipulation of democracy, but its so underhanded/bias i think you could argue any system that can be manipulated to that extent isn't real democracy? In theory anyone who was popular enough with the masses could be elected, but anyone getting to close is shot down one way or another before they get a chance. The word democracy "power to the people" is a joke, they get in and seem to forget they work for us, and spend most of the time manipulating us for their own ends. When is a democracy not a democracy?..........When you live in Britain by the look of it. Its our own fault at the end of the day, but they give enough to keep us under control.............missing a few meals could work wonders? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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