Countryside Alliance told to Feck off !!!

[dogga 1]

I was being subtle and polite

 

Tom

clapper:

[fish 148]

I was being subtle and polite

 

Tom

pis me we need more like you tom

[bowers1986 3]

:good: :clapper: :clapper:

[chartpolski 24,351]

Hiya Stuart

I always enjoy your show The Scottish Champion of Champions at Selkirk and! as always the craic and the company's good you guys at Selkirk run one of Scotlands premier shows and that demands recognition The Scottish Countryside Alliance's, Director of Hunting lives in your neck of the woods, question!! Why was'nt he or a SCA representitive at your show for the last two years?

answer!! The Director of Hunting and the rest of Scottish Countryside Allianc could'nt give a feck!! about lurchers/terriers or the people that own them!! They're too busy promoting a fecking Scottish food fortnight, or the fecking Thistle Ball rather than promoting and endorsing guys who live in the real world

 

Tom

 

 

thats the spirit me old pal , they are really just a bunch o w-n-e-s, how did you enjoy our finals at selkirk , pretty busy eh, hope it's bigger next year, yours stuart

 

Scottish Champion of Champions and Reserve Champion at Selkirk;

 

 

Selkirk Open Show Champion and Reserve;

 

 

Some guy's having a great day at Selkirk !!!!;

 

Cheers Stuart

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Bottom picture who's the good looking guy on the left??

 

Tom

[chartpolski 24,351]

Bottom picture who's the good looking guy on the left??

 

Tom

 

On my left it's Stuart !!!!!

Cheers.

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Oh!! you must be the ugly fecker on my left then

 

Tom

[chartpolski 24,351]

Oh!! you must be the ugly fecker on my left then

 

Tom

 

Thats the one mate !!!

Cheers.

[T.F.Student 0]

PS: TF says *Why on earth would you want to give less money ...to an organisation that is fighting in your corner?"

 

Answer

They were'nt here in Scotland! they were committed to saving the mounted packs the SCA asked for the support of ordinary Lurcher and Terrier men, they got that 110% as soon as the mounted packs were safe there was no need to continue a fight against the ban in Scotland, The SCA/CA have no intention of overturning a ban in Scotland as the Status Quo suits them, Do you know anything about the so-called "SCOTTISH COUNTRYSIDE ALLIANCE"

 

Tom...I was responding to Decker's post with regard to Hunting Life members getting a discount on joining SACS not SCA And No i don't know anything about the SCA...I'm from Lancashire and went to Scotland in support of people who supported hunting with dogs, all hunting with dogs. The Alliance told me about it!!! if they hadn't i wouldn't of been there. If their was no Alliance...would it of happened at all? Even though it didn't achieve what i wished for Scotland its a dam site better than what would of happened if there had been no resistance.

Jeez...Tom Toms given me hell all day I come home, crack a can or five and find I'm interrogated by another Tom...Although thinking about it i did have a lovely jaunt around the beautiful Crook area of Kendal. It just wasn't where i should of been

As i believe in putting my money where your mouth is and as a NOB already I'm obviously lonesome without my SAC But!!! in the way of things... i must pay my National GayKeepers Organisation debt before i can be feel whole once again Its only a matter of time Then all I'll need is someone to start up an organisation called Badgers Aren't Likable Lovelies Silly and I'll be rocking

[COMPO 54]

I understand a lot of toms comments about the CA, both north of the border and here in good old england they have sold us down the river, but in different ways.

 

As i have repeated before and in other places, the powers that be that were (still should be) fighting the Hunting act, should have portrayed all levels and types of hunting, i feel they distanced themselves from the grass roots/working class hunters and portrayed the wrong image which New Labour loved as they wanted the Hunting ban as retribution for long ago misdeeds by the "Toff's". (the miners strike has been mentioned several times)

 

to quote one scottish anti hunt labour MP "thats one in the eye for the toffs in red coats" ...which shows that the Hunting act is class based bigotry, sadly the ones who have suffered the most are the working class folk who hunted with a lurcher , terrier or a small bobbery pack

 

If the CA had been switched on enough to portray the correct images and show people living in council houses going lamping with permission, showed folk like me who grew up in tied farm cottage and then moved to a council house before moving south and making a bit more money in London and living comfortably in the home counties , the hole spectrum of hunting and not just the percieved "toff's" in red coats, what about my mate an Art Teacher an ardent follower of beagles, his occupation is heavily supported by labour, show how it would affect a group that New Labour percieve as their supporters,

 

sadly we have been fecked over by this government and things aren't going to change too soon due to the devolution of scotland and wales,

 

the devolution means that scot and welsh MP's have a say in westminster but English MP's dont have a say in the celtic countries, result is a 70% tory country (England) now cant shake the fecking labour countries of Scotland and Wales and the labour party will be staying in power for a while as the celts still vote along old family lines as miners and dockers

 

The answers are either scrap devolution in scotland and wales (the new labour bigots wont do that as they are aware it helps them maintain a majority in the entire UK) or bring about a seperate government for England and let the scots and welsh sort themselves out, at least then they could come to England on hunting holidays when the tories overturn the ban (the labour feckers wont do that either as they are aware how they have stitched us all up)

 

either way i am a member of SACS, good insurance and tom assured me if i needed any help legal or otherwise that a sweaty sock would help me

 

VOTE TORY (they may be toff's in red coats but they will overturn the ban for everyone)

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Thanks Compo,

For me the issue isnt about the difference in attitude between Scots and English hunting enthusists I don't think there is a difference its about what CA/SCA did after the ban and the attitude of it hierachy particularly here in Scotland, I am invoved with SAC's in a volountarily basis helping to recruit members! This organisation itself has a lot to answer for as well! our former director did absolutely feck all or very little in support of working dogs our new Director Ian Clark is passionate about all fieldsports and does not discriminate for or against one above the other, our organisation his member based and member led! and as an ordinary member I can criticize as much as I want, if the situation deems, A while ago I was asked too consider joining the management commitee of SAC's, Its an offer I declined!!, The reason I declined was that as a member of the management commitee I would have to go along with any majority deciscion and have to bite my toungue if I didn't agree with any deciscion made, "Feck that" If a group of people make a ruling and it affects me and other members adversly, I want the right to question it!! and if possible change it. I can do that!! as can any other ordinary member. It does not matter to me or SACs If a member is from Dundee or Surrey!!, first and foremost they're a SACs member and we have a duty of care and moral obligation to do as much as we can for any member when called apon. I apologize to Deker for the late reply to his question

 

"Am I right in thinking you are involved with SACS...do Hunting Life members get a discount?

Cheers" Deker

 

Hunting life members do not get a discount at the moment!! there is no Hunting life Club, we need 8 or more definate members to constitute a club as soon as that happens, Hey Bingo!! you've got a discount membership and a new club

 

Tom

 

 

 

 

I understand a lot of toms comments about the CA, both north of the border and here in good old england they have sold us down the river, but in different ways.

 

As i have repeated before and in other places, the powers that be that were (still should be) fighting the Hunting act, should have portrayed all levels and types of hunting, i feel they distanced themselves from the grass roots/working class hunters and portrayed the wrong image which New Labour loved as they wanted the Hunting ban as retribution for long ago misdeeds by the "Toff's". (the miners strike has been mentioned several times)

 

to quote one scottish anti hunt labour MP "thats one in the eye for the toffs in red coats" ...which shows that the Hunting act is class based bigotry, sadly the ones who have suffered the most are the working class folk who hunted with a lurcher , terrier or a small bobbery pack

 

If the CA had been switched on enough to portray the correct images and show people living in council houses going lamping with permission, showed folk like me who grew up in tied farm cottage and then moved to a council house before moving south and making a bit more money in London and living comfortably in the home counties , the hole spectrum of hunting and not just the percieved "toff's" in red coats, what about my mate an Art Teacher an ardent follower of beagles, his occupation is heavily supported by labour, show how it would affect a group that New Labour percieve as their supporters,

 

sadly we have been fecked over by this government and things aren't going to change too soon due to the devolution of scotland and wales,

 

the devolution means that scot and welsh MP's have a say in westminster but English MP's dont have a say in the celtic countries, result is a 70% tory country (England) now cant shake the fecking labour countries of Scotland and Wales and the labour party will be staying in power for a while as the celts still vote along old family lines as miners and dockers

 

The answers are either scrap devolution in scotland and wales (the new labour bigots wont do that as they are aware it helps them maintain a majority in the entire UK) or bring about a seperate government for England and let the scots and welsh sort themselves out, at least then they could come to England on hunting holidays when the tories overturn the ban (the labour feckers wont do that either as they are aware how they have stitched us all up)

 

either way i am a member of SACS, good insurance and tom assured me if i needed any help legal or otherwise that a sweaty sock would help me

 

VOTE TORY (they may be toff's in red coats but they will overturn the ban for everyone)

Edited February 8, 2008 by Foxgun Tom

[T.F.Student 0]

Whoose given up

 

http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/our...goes-to-europe/

 

Brian Friend is also taking his/yours/mine fight to Europe

 

As the song goes "Put your money where you put your mouth! and then we'll play the game"

 

Lets Dance

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Rember, legislation in Scotland is different!! here we have our own legal system and the right to forge our own legislation!!!!!!!! it was'nt a UK parliment that banned/put restrictions on hunting in Scotland, but a devolved Scottish Assembly !! and did'nt I read somewhere that Mr Friends appeal was for the most part financed by the USCW and private donations,?? rather than the SCA/CA (SCOTTISH COUNTRYSIDE ALLIANCE?

Click on the link: http://www.ucsw.org/News_PDFs/07.10.11%20-...%20L%20case.pdf

 

Tom

 

Whoose given up

 

http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/our...goes-to-europe/

 

Brian Friend is also taking his/yours/mine fight to Europe

 

As the song goes "Put your money where you put your mouth! and then we'll play the game"

 

Lets Dance

Edited November 29, 2007 by Foxgun Tom

[COMPO 54]

Also the link to the CA that TF has put up, it refers to foxes and fox hunting....again the point i was trying to make (sorry went off on rant about new labour and devolution) was that there are many different types of hunting practised by many different types of people, not just the stereotypical "toff's"" in red coats, we needed (and still need to) show all the other forms of hunting affected by this law and show the different types of people affected, then we may get some sympathy by the impartial public and get back on track

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Exactly!!! no mention of Terrier/Lurcher work or the enthusiasts? Its about mounted/footpacks and organised MFHA Hunts, there is also no mention of minkhounds Beagles, Staghounds or Coursing , why??????

 

This is from THE SCOTTISH COUNTRYSIDE ALLIANCE'S media centre today Click on link:

 

http://www.scottishcountrysidealliance.org...1&Itemid=49

 

No!! mention of appealing or recinding any hunt ban in Scotland or even reporting the latest appeals in the House of Lords??

they're just not fecking interested up here and thats self evident by the SCA website

 

Tom

Edited November 29, 2007 by Foxgun Tom