VOON 1,317 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 What are the benefits to Britian for voting no to staying in.?[/ Loads......immigration control....NHS has a better chance of coping same for schools Free to arrange trade deals that good for us not the germans Where does the UK export goods and services to the most? Will the UK have to put tariffs on goods and sevices coming in? Will export taxes be put on UK services? I don't know, but there's a lot of nuances to consider. One sure thing is there will be some waffle spouted. I think your financial services will be in trouble and that could swing the undecided. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacknife 2,005 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 We could do deals with the EU and massive non EU markets There does not need to be taxes put on goods going between us and them....they would suffer just as bad if they tried that What would the likes of BMW Merc Audi Vw say Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 9,845 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Looks like china's economy is slowing down and the exsperts saying it could cause another reccesion here wats the odds on the referendum happening sooner or later and us getting conned into thinking the only way we can be saved is by staying in the E.U. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,618 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Looks like china's economy is slowing down and the exsperts saying it could cause another reccesion here wats the odds on the referendum happening sooner or later and us getting conned into thinking the only way we can be saved is by staying in the E.U. Yep that's right they have already started to play up on the Chinese economic situation and threatening global recession... It's mass mind rape... I heard on the news that the referendum could be as early as June/July. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,659 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I reakon the decision has already been made and the deal has been done and any vote will count for jack shit. This is not a free country any more we are just fooled into believing it. Yup. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,013 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 My heart says go, no negotiation, no f***ing about, just go........ any compromise is futile. But I have a lot of reading and thinking to do before I'm willing to risk my countries future on what my heart wants. Probably the most sensible answer there However I can't help feeling how could it be any worse so in dragons den style I'm going to have to say.. I'm out! Thank you. I agree entirely, it does seem obvious. But if my choice is to have any negative consequences then I consider it my duty to be aware of them as much as is possible beforehand. It's too easy to just be ignorant. Even if I knew now that it was the right choice, I still want to understand the implications. These are the implications mate.......the sun will come up and the lights will still work......that's all we need to know I need to know a bit more than that.... I am genuinely interested in what you think it is important to know mate......you are an educated bloke and I am not. Personally, if I was still in England I wouldn't care what happened as long as we get out......see for me, it's about much more than financial/economic implications. I believe that the world is at a very bad place politically and socially, from what I see of Brussels they are the very embodiment of all that is wrong with current western governments. They oppress you but create an illusion of freedom and democracy when In fact we have no such thing........I genuinely see a genocide of Western European culture going on and I believe that this is totally intentional to make us easier to rule/oppress and enslave. The people of Europe and the U.K. are worth nothing more than the reference number on their tax form........that is their only value to the rulers of Europe. Their culture, their values and their opinion don't matter one jot.....it's all about what they can be milked for by the state until they die. Getting out would be a very small step to reclaiming the Britishs people's life IMHO 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I am genuinely interested in what you think it is important to know mate......you are an educated bloke and I am not. Personally, if I was still in England I wouldn't care what happened as long as we get out......see for me, it's about much more than financial/economic implications. I believe that the world is at a very bad place politically and socially, from what I see of Brussels they are the very embodiment of all that is wrong with current western governments. They oppress you but create an illusion of freedom and democracy when In fact we have no such thing........I genuinely see a genocide of Western European culture going on and I believe that this is totally intentional to make us easier to rule/oppress and enslave. The people of Europe and the U.K. are worth nothing more than the reference number on their tax form........that is their only value to the rulers of Europe. Their culture, their values and their opinion don't matter one jot.....it's all about what they can be milked for by the state until they die. Getting out would be a very small step to reclaiming the Britishs people's life IMHO I'm not really able to speculate on what might happen either way, but before I make a decision I'd like to have read a lot more on the matter. If I'm going to vote in favor of something that could end the UK as a sovereign state or cause an economic ice age then I want to be fully aware of that. I'm not going to wing it and complain that we were f****d over the moment a grey cloud is cast over us. I want to be able to say "this unfortunate event is just an unavoidable part of our strategy to achieve...." or "I am partly responsible for this, but at least I made my decision to the best of my ability". We all complain about the apparent lack of democracy and that these decisions are distorted with propaganda and strategic timing but the fact is, the Mob has the power and the Mob are so easily controlled and manipulated simply because they are too willing to have a say without caring for the facts. Swinging one way and then the other without having any good view of the whole situation. If only those that didn't take the time to try to educate themselves as much as they feel possible kept out of the decision, society would be better imo. The erosion of sovereignty and freedom and the deterioration of social harmony that the EU has come to represent really troubles me. But getting out is no guarantee any of these will be rectified. This is a personal decision, I've said where my heart is on the matter, but I'm not comfortable enough yet in my understanding of how it all works to follow that. Others may well be.... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,013 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 As usual and as expected Born Hunter, a great reply and I couldn't disagree with any of it. Myself, I take a more simplistic view, what we have is very bad.....and yes, what we get may be worse......but it will be OUR worse. Get out and let the chips fall where they may. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I look at it this way,in my eyes what are the people that run Europe wanting to make it into? What is there vision for Europe the way I see it they are trying to completely erode European culture and look at when countries are protesting about immigration these people that are unelected riding roughshod over them they are serving a different master not the people of europe 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 As usual and as expected Born Hunter, a great reply and I couldn't disagree with any of it. Myself, I take a more simplistic view, what we have is very bad.....and yes, what we get may be worse......but it will be OUR worse. Get out and let the chips fall where they may. It doesn't matter how hard one studies the situation, at some point they have to take that view right there mate. It's going to be a gamble whatever way it goes, I just personally want to understand the situation better. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,618 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) As usual and as expected Born Hunter, a great reply and I couldn't disagree with any of it. Myself, I take a more simplistic view, what we have is very bad.....and yes, what we get may be worse......but it will be OUR worse. Get out and let the chips fall where they may. It doesn't matter how hard one studies the situation, at some point they have to take that view right there mate. It's going to be a gamble whatever way it goes, I just personally want to understand the situation better. "Everything" you "need" to know about the UK EU referendum. ... apparently http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887 Edited January 19, 2016 by kanny 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yorkshire 151 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 The European Union is an economic and political partnership involving 28 European countries. It began after World War Two to foster economic co-operation, with the idea that countries which trade together are more likely to avoid going to war with each other. Yep that's the BBC lol , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 That damn BBC reporting the facts! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,000 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Sorry BGD but the EU was not created after the 2nd world war the EEC wasn't neither! A joint decision to prevent another war by trade that's it. That then evolved into the EEC in the 50's and then the EU in the 90's. So no that link is bullshit glossing Edited January 19, 2016 by mushroom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) The foundations for what became the EU were laid after WW2 which is what that article was getting at. A relatively simplified brief background on the EU that's all. Or it's some grand conspiracy :laugh: Edited January 19, 2016 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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