English Bull And Their Crosses Thread.

[neil cooney 10,416]

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I was only thinking of this bitch earlier and remembered that you'd put a picture up of her.

Yankee Boy Greg once told me in an e-mail that the father of Double Gr. Ch. Tornado (who Greg shaped for several of her shows) was put to Gr. Ch. Mammy and not one single offspring made it to the show ring.

It proves how fickle breeding can be when such a producer can cover such a specimen and produce curs.

One thing we do know about breeding is that we'll never know it all.

[Dead Eyes 681]

 

 

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I was only thinking of this bitch earlier and remembered that you'd put a picture up of her.

Yankee Boy Greg once told me in an e-mail that the father of Double Gr. Ch. Tornado (who Greg shaped for several of her shows) was put to Gr. Ch. Mammy and not one single offspring made it to the show ring.

It proves how fickle breeding can be when such a producer can cover such a specimen and produce curs.

One thing we do know about breeding is that we'll never know it all.

 

Strange how that works ain't it...

 

Banjo was put to BB Red

Zebo was put to Honeybunch

 

Nothing spectacular came from either, although the Carver one has a good descendant down on the ground now I'm led to believe

[Bryan 1,362]

 

The APBT aka The Bulldog is as pure bred as dogs come and tracing their ancestor's is not hard and in all the pedigrees going back to the late 1800s I have never ever seen an outcross to a terrier. How much farther do you need to go back.

Think about it, breeding small dogs to go under ground has been around for less than 300 years but the need for large powerful fighting types has been around for over a thousand years.

When dogfighting became popular the fighting breeds were made smaller for the pit but IMO this was done by breeding from smaller fighting types not by outcrossing to a terrier.

Why would you use a small type of hunting dog that has to stand back and bay (which is the type used back then) to breed into a breed that must be full on using his mouth to hold and fight an opponent ???

Yes, I'm sure crosses between the two were made for the rat pits and they were called bull and terriers but I've never heard of the blood from any rat pit dogs make their way into any lines of fighters.

Fighting dogs for the last couple of centuries have been bred fighter to fighter and in the case of the EBT that most certainly is not the case.

Not into dogfighting myself but the history and pedigrees of that fascinating breed (the APBT) is there for anyone to see.

 

Small dogs have been bred to go underground longer than 300 years.

 

The large powerful fighting types mastiffs, bulldogs etc. have been around for thousands of years but they aren't and weren't pitbulls.

 

A pitbull is a different breed who's history doesn't go as far back as terriers. It doesn't go back much further than the ban on bullbaiting in the mid 1800's

[VOON 1,317]

 

 

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3814/zatoichiknl.11/0_27db9_57773742_L

I was only thinking of this bitch earlier and remembered that you'd put a picture up of her.

Yankee Boy Greg once told me in an e-mail that the father of Double Gr. Ch. Tornado (who Greg shaped for several of her shows) was put to Gr. Ch. Mammy and not one single offspring made it to the show ring.

It proves how fickle breeding can be when such a producer can cover such a specimen and produce curs.

One thing we do know about breeding is that we'll never know it all.

Strange how that works ain't it...

Banjo was put to BB Red

Zebo was put to Honeybunch

Nothing spectacular came from either, although the Carver one has a good descendant down on the ground now I'm led to believe

And snooty breeding was well thought off, even though he was suspect.......

[Dead Eyes 681]

Best dog ever is heavy snooty on the bottom

[Boss-Hog 269]

lol thats matter of opinion

[Dead Eyes 681]

Not really. Can you name any game dog whatsoever that's beat a sdj doy? I can name one, and he's still alive with a heavy snooty bottom, redboy/alligator top

[dai dogs 1,412]

Well lads n lasses how many are using ebt in pure or cross form when out in the field? And what if anything would they add to a terrier? Obviously there's the haters but what about the fanciers??

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[Lenmcharristar 9,762]

So wots peoples thoughts on the ingles bull terrier and the ones lyndon bread .they look 2 me like pit crossed english bulls . . Suprised no ones talking bout these in the post .

 

 

Well lads n lasses how many are using ebt in pure or cross form when out in the field? And what if anything would they add to a terrier? Obviously there's the haters but what about the fanciers??

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sgt clancy id like to hear a bit more about the ingles dogs from direct owners myself. dai dogs, is that a dog or bitch?

[dai dogs 1,412]

 

So wots peoples thoughts on the ingles bull terrier and the ones lyndon bread .they look 2 me like pit crossed english bulls . . Suprised no ones talking bout these in the post .

 

 

Well lads n lasses how many are using ebt in pure or cross form when out in the field? And what if anything would they add to a terrier? Obviously there's the haters but what about the fanciers??

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sgt clancy id like to hear a bit more about the ingles dogs from direct owners myself. dai dogs, is that a dog or bitch?

 

Bitch

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

 

I think it's you 2 that can't read as a few lads have said it as have I! Now Read this... The working stock used in the english bull terrier was limited, the EBT apart from the odd 1 is not a working dog, there are many better breeds to use for a cross and any decent cross over the years was carried along by the other blood in the dog!

so what work does the Irish terrier do for work? A border collie? But they both make handy crosses

Border collies work sheep and cattle.

[Lenmcharristar 9,762]

 

 

I think it's you 2 that can't read as a few lads have said it as have I! Now Read this... The working stock used in the english bull terrier was limited, the EBT apart from the odd 1 is not a working dog, there are many better breeds to use for a cross and any decent cross over the years was carried along by the other blood in the dog!

so what work does the Irish terrier do for work? A border collie? But they both make handy crosses

Border collies work sheep and cattle.

 

them sheep bite hard, I hear their nicknames wooly gators

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

 

 

 

I think it's you 2 that can't read as a few lads have said it as have I! Now Read this... The working stock used in the english bull terrier was limited, the EBT apart from the odd 1 is not a working dog, there are many better breeds to use for a cross and any decent cross over the years was carried along by the other blood in the dog!

 

so what work does the Irish terrier do for work? A border collie? But they both make handy crosses

Border collies work sheep and cattle.

them sheep bite hard, I hear their nicknames wooly gators

They don't bite, but they can but hard. People have been killed by both sheep and cattle.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Those who like Collie blood in their lurchers do so for the brains, stamina and hunting style a collie adds.

What would Irish Terrier in this day and age add.

Guts ? Nothing that Bull or Wheaten wouldn't add in more abundance.

Stamina ? Nothing a Saluki cross wouldn't have more off.

Coat ? Then you should ask yourself a serious question if coat is a main priority.

The Topic is about EBTs and has turned to lurchers. As much as I would have absolutely no time for English Bulls around me the best lamping dog I ever seen or owned was 1/8 EBT 3/8 Staff and half Greyhound.

[DogFox123 1,379]

I think it's you 2 that can't read as a few lads have said it as have I! Now Read this... The working stock used in the english bull terrier was limited, the EBT apart from the odd 1 is not a working dog, there are many better breeds to use for a cross and any decent cross over the years was carried along by the other blood in the dog!

What the hell are you babbling on about? You don't have a clue about the Bull and Terrier dogs used to create the Bullterrier and neither does anyone on this forum....