the monkey 338 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 bet that stung a bit Quote Link to post
peterbirdman1 206 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I also have seen the biting power of the gwp. the sire to the pointer in the picture turned on my deerhound x greyhound and one bite broke its cheek bone and eye socket. Made a real mess of the dog. If it wasn't stopped it would have killed it 1 Quote Link to post
Tiercel 6,986 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I honestly do not understand why the GWP is not used more as a cross for a lurcher. It has far more to offer than any other donor dog. It has stamina to spare, can out hunt almost any other breed, very adaptable to any type of hunting, great constitution with intelligence by the bucket load. Down side is you have to understand the breed to get the best out of them, if you cannot work out how they tick then your in for a long hard slog getting nowhere. There of course other factors to take into consideration, once crossed you will to some extent loose some of the abilities that make the GWP the breed it is. This is hopefully counteracted by gaining a bit of speed which the pure lacks in. They do have stamina to spare but are just that little bit slow to do a lurchers job on their own. Personally I would go for a half cross to try and preserve as much of the GWP's attributes as possible, with just that extra yard or two of pace that would make the difference. They are never going to make a fen dog as a half cross but by feck will they make a lurcher that will do everything asked of it. TC 8 Quote Link to post
Wales1234 5,522 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 It's definitely something I'm going to look into and think they would very much suit me the way I hunt collars on and away they go ! Be interesting to see the X go if anyone has one give me a PM I will take you out on my place to see them work So if you got one give me a PM cheers 1 Quote Link to post
devon flighter 421 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I get what they're about when hunting up static game birds, around cover, hunt up and point, before flushing. But what about moving quarry, are they too driven to stop with a command/ whistle? If so how far out will they go? Same as any other dog if their trained right then no. But I am talking about the pure breed here not the cross. As I have said many times the GWP is not for everyone. If you can be comfortable watching a dog do it's own thing in the distance and have total confidence that you can still have control over that dog, then they may be for you. However, if you feel that letting a dog work large is not for you, for whatever reason, then leave them well alone. TC spot on that ! you need to be comfortable with how THEY work and work with them they are definitely not a first dog though !!!!!! like others have said i wish i had found them earlier in life when i was fitter,ive a lab cross and a pure breed and boy are they different ! 2 Quote Link to post
Tiercel 6,986 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 It seems that everyone likes the idea of this cross but very few commit to it, it made me wonder why? So I done a search and came up with 10 pages on the GWP as a pure and crosses. The search. http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index.php?s=859cf6fecca96ed5cb61befb31ee2eaf&app=googlecse#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=german%20wirehaired%20pointer&gsc.page=1 One particular thread that is quite interesting. http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/176044-pointer-greyhound/ It seems that the first cross is just not quick enough for people. One person put it down to the GWP's gait that conflicts with the running dogs style of running? Anyways have a read it is interesting stuff. TC Quote Link to post
peterbirdman1 206 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Very interesting read that tiercel. I do understand why they say what they do about the pointers gait. But you only need to put the ingredients together and hope for the right qualities come together. A lot of hunters look for different qualities in their partner and to hunt their way so different pups should suit certain people Quote Link to post
forest of dean redneck 11,608 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 how does the gsp compare I often wondered about them,if you didn't want the wire coat? Quote Link to post
belucky 746 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 hi all , google GREYSTER some good info and pics , people have been breeding these for years , you wont believe what theyre using them for . Quote Link to post
Kye 77 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 how are these dogs on toothed game i wonder? Quote Link to post
forest of dean redneck 11,608 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 hi all , google GREYSTER some good info and pics , people have been breeding these for years , you wont believe what theyre using them for .I remember seeing that name when reading about euro hounds ,nice looking dogs . Quote Link to post
Mustelid 143 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just seen some pups on pets4homes in Cumbria by a half cross pointer dog. Spaniel in the mix too! Quote Link to post
Tiercel 6,986 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just seen some pups on pets4homes in Cumbria by a half cross pointer dog. Spaniel in the mix too! http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classifieds/1155724-lurchers-great-allrounders-cleator-moor.html TC Quote Link to post
Mustelid 143 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 That's them. Quote Link to post
Tiercel 6,986 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 A friend of mine knows a good gwp man down south and he reckons German stock did harm to the British bird dogs as they were too hard, so I'd say for a Lurcher you might want something with German lines, gwp's are a different animal to the smooths. Certainly sounds the type for a long range hunter, I think I'd want someone experienced with gwp's on the end of a phone though and some might start a lot later than some folk might want? Interesting topic. The Deutsch Drahthaar are a separate breed to our GWP, in order for the Deutsch Drahthaar to be able to breed they have to pass working tests. http://sudlichenwald.com/drahthaar.htm TC 1 Quote Link to post
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