Francie 6,368 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Throw an old pic of your mally up flacko mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,969 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Totally agree I'd never have a pure for man work they're just not mentally suited , only reason I keep this headcase around is for all her faults she's a cracking dog to have about the place real laugh a minute always in the back of my head that she'll have to go the minute I feel she's a risk to anyone but myself though. It sounds like you're playing a dangerous game keeping a dog that could go off any minute in a city. Accidents happen,I hope you stay lucky. the old saying in bulldogs , is a apbt is 1000's time less likely to bite you than a lot of breeds, but if it does bite you 1000's times more dangerous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flacko 1,755 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Can't do pics mate I ask Roybo to do for me mate I get one on tomorrow if he's about atb Flacko Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,182 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Not read all the posts, but I thought that was a shite dog. A great big fecker like that would of killed him, it was fecked by the end of it. Good that it did its job, but as a gauge of a dog, wasn't good imo. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 That large mutt wasnt up to much, he was in his element when the bloke turned and fled in other words acted prey like but when he stood and faced acted predator like the dog reverted to barking which showed an element of fear in his makeup, Proper dog should be stimulated by the aggressive stance of an object as much as a submissive one, it was more of a territorial display than anything, I doubt he would be man aggressive outside his area, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 The video is actually a good illustration of the differences between a big territorial dog with no training and a properly trained real deal manstopper. The first will be good enough to see off an unarmed not very determined intruder but if you're looking to stop a serious threat you need a properly trained dog 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,182 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Not talking about properly trained. That dog is just lacking. Probably could of fended it off with a newspaper or a cup of water . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I think you're being a bit unfair on the mutt, that could well of been the first time it had ever engaged a person. Can't expect a pet that's always been taught to be subservient to people to suddenly switch and fire into a person full on. It showed good instincts atleast, more than can be said for a lot of so called guardian breeds these days 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flacko 1,755 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Good points there BGD as I said at the start of this I thought he was poor, but I don't history of that dog my own bitch was naturally protective from the a early age it was just getting her to know who was who in the family circle. Atb Flacko Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,561 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I have to agree atleast the dog tried and didnt just stand there and watch the prick burgle the house. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,969 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I have to agree atleast the dog tried and didnt just stand there and watch the prick burgle the house. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,280 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I have to agree atleast the dog tried and didnt just stand there and watch the prick burgle the house. I agree it followed its instinct and thats more than most dogs do these days......but like anything a dog will only perform well for as long as it has air in its lungs,hence an average dog in great condition is always better than a good dog in poor condition id imagine that theory applies to almost any task a dog is set. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 7,372 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I have to agree atleast the dog tried and didnt just stand there and watch the prick burgle the house. I agree it followed its instinct and thats more than most dogs do these days......but like anything a dog will only perform well for as long as it has air in its lungs,hence an average dog in great condition is always better than a good dog in poor condition id imagine that theory applies to almost any task a dog is set.Your right there gnash all dogs will perform better if kept in good condition but a purpose bred manstopper should be able to incapacitate the biggest of men long before their wind and stamina even starts to be tested.Seconds not minutes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,280 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Your right there gnash all dogs will perform better if kept in good condition but a purpose bred manstopper should be able to incapacitate the biggest of men long before their wind and stamina even starts to be tested.Seconds not minutes. I,ll take your word for it mate like i said to you before thats way too much dog for me at this point in life Purely out of interest,would that still apply to a man fighting back with i dont know a bat/bar tool of some kind.....is a proper manstopper expected to take punishment......if so surely condition has to come into it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 The main conditioning as far as importance in a man stopper is conditioning the mind of the dog to associate the physical pain inflicted by the decoy as part of flow process, the tension release, The decoy creates tension , the grabbing and shaking when the dog takes hold is the release of said tension, when a pup is introduced to training its carefully managed so he is exposed to a little discomfort each time , Driven dogs don't experience pain as we do, same as a bulldog rolled, pain just becomes part of the flow experience, is also why joe soap struggle to separate 2 determined dogs in the heat of battle , a beating can be just part of the overall sensation 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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