king 11,984 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 A fit 50lb apbt would be a better deterrent than a 100lb yard walked mastiff in my eyes.were as the mastiff would take hold with a powerful bite and give a few shakes drag you about the yard etc .the pit would take hold and be very busy shaking and causing you some serious damage. That's my take on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 7,372 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 A fit 50lb apbt would be a better deterrent than a 100lb yard walked mastiff in my eyes.were as the mastiff would take hold with a powerful bite and give a few shakes drag you about the yard etc .the pit would take hold and be very busy shaking and causing you some serious damage. That's my take on it. Have you ever owned either a man working apbt or mastiff type. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,280 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Again,i know nothing about guard/protection dogs but i know a little about pit bulls and i wouldnt imagine a pit bull would work its hold on a human the way it would on another dog......take hold and keep hold yes......work its hold and swap for better ones with the same intensity as it would another dog im not so sure about that. Edited December 21, 2015 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 That dog in the video was a bag of shit regardless of weather it was fit or not.If a proper protection/property guard 9ver 100lb gets hold of you there is no fighting it off.Youve probably got between 5 to 10 seconds before you go into shock when it starts mangling whatever part of you it gets hold of. I saw it more as a pet doing a good job watching the property, definitely a poor showing if it was supposed to be a real serious guardian. Again,i know nothing about guard/protection dogs but i know a little about pit bulls and i wouldnt imagine a pit bull would work its hold on a human the way it would on another dog......take hold and keep hold yes......work its hold and swap for better ones with the same intensity as it would another dog im not so sure about that. I've done a bit of suit work with my pit bull and she definitely worked her hold on a human the same way as she would on a dog, it's honestly frightening to watch a dog go for a human with such intensity, different to the more business like way I've seen mastiffs taking men down you could really tell she was enjoying the fight. I started the bite work to try and get a bit of control on her teaching her when it's acceptable to go for a human and when it isn't but ended up stopping it because it was just showing her how fun it was to have a scrap with a human. I'd say you're right for the majority of pit bulls though, this one is just a real headcase 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 7,372 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 That dog in the video was a bag of shit regardless of weather it was fit or not.If a proper protection/property guard 9ver 100lb gets hold of you there is no fighting it off.Youve probably got between 5 to 10 seconds before you go into shock when it starts mangling whatever part of you it gets hold of. I saw it more as a pet doing a good job watching the property, definitely a poor showing if it was supposed to be a real serious guardian. Again,i know nothing about guard/protection dogs but i know a little about pit bulls and i wouldnt imagine a pit bull would work its hold on a human the way it would on another dog......take hold and keep hold yes......work its hold and swap for better ones with the same intensity as it would another dog im not so sure about that. I've done a bit of suit work with my pit bull and she definitely worked her hold on a human the same way as she would on a dog, it's honestly frightening to watch a dog go for a human with such intensity, different to the more business like way I've seen mastiffs taking men down you could really tell she was enjoying the fight. I started the bite work to try and get a bit of control on her teaching her when it's acceptable to go for a human and when it isn't but ended up stopping it because it was just showing her how fun it was to have a scrap with a human. I'd say you're right for the majority of pit bulls though, this one is just a real headcase That's why I don't like pits for man work. All the ones I owned were soft as shit with people and all the ones I've seen that would bite a man were just out and out maneater. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Totally agree I'd never have a pure for man work they're just not mentally suited , only reason I keep this headcase around is for all her faults she's a cracking dog to have about the place real laugh a minute always in the back of my head that she'll have to go the minute I feel she's a risk to anyone but myself though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,280 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 That's why I don't like pits for man work. All the ones I owned were soft as shit with people and all the ones I've seen that would bite a man were just out and out maneater. Thats what i was getting at........i find it hard to believe a dog carefully selected over many years for its fighting qualities could ever be as good as a dog carefully selected even for a few years for its guarding qualities........ive seen pit bulls turn on humans on a couple of occassions and neither time was it a pretty sight but i would guess its the difference between wild mayhem and correct procedure in terms of breeding/selection/training etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 7,372 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 We have a lad who trains with us who has a pit that he got from the dogs home that he works at he's the double of the old reid dogs that the Scottish lads had years ago.When he first came training a couple of the yonder fellas tried winding him up and myself and the fella who decoys for us told them to stop as the dog should only be worked in prey drive.The dog is unbelievable week by week the dog was progressing quicker than any dog I've seen worked.longsends,outing on command,suprised attacks,recalling off of a bite the works.Then a while back the lad decided he wanted to work him in defence we tried to talk him out of it but he was adamant so my pal put on a covert sleeve and pretended to attack the lad.The dog lost it and it was only due to my pals quick thinking and moving that he didn't get hurt.For a couple of weeks after that he had to be worked on lead couldn't be outed without a pinch collar and that's the trouble with pits once you switch them on to that type of thing they become a liability. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 7,372 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 We have a lad who trains with us who has a pit that he got from the dogs home that he works at he's the double of the old reid dogs that the Scottish lads had years ago.When he first came training a couple of the yonder fellas tried winding him up and myself and the fella who decoys for us told them to stop as the dog should only be worked in prey drive.The dog is unbelievable week by week the dog was progressing quicker than any dog I've seen worked.longsends,outing on command,suprised attacks,recalling off of a bite the works.Then a while back the lad decided he wanted to work him in defence we tried to talk him out of it but he was adamant so my pal put on a covert sleeve and pretended to attack the lad.The dog lost it and it was only due to my pals quick thinking and moving that he didn't get hurt.For a couple of weeks after that he had to be worked on lead couldn't be outed without a pinch collar and that's the trouble with pits once you switch them on to that type of thing they become a liability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king 11,984 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 A fit 50lb apbt would be a better deterrent than a 100lb yard walked mastiff in my eyes.were as the mastiff would take hold with a powerful bite and give a few shakes drag you about the yard etc .the pit would take hold and be very busy shaking and causing you some serious damage. That's my take on it. Have you ever owned either a man working apbt or mastiff type.I've owned 2 pressa canarios and various staffs.and seen various other dogs who were trained for protection dogs.but the speed and agility.ferociousness of the apbt is very impressive.but no I haven't had any that have done man work myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qbgrey 4,124 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 How do u know it was bought in as a highly trained man eater,? Could of been a mongrel of pet dog.stopped that wogster tho.black people generally scared of any dogs anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 If there's 1 thing that video shows is if you are going to use just an average yard dog n not a dog bred for the job then you need 2 as if the intruder had a knife the dog would of been dead. And it goes to show that just leaving them in the yard and expect them to be a last point of security is no good they at least need to be fit and taught where to hold and keep hold. I just thought it nice video for anyone that's ever had a burglar snooping around and keep in the back of your head karma will get them one day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Totally agree I'd never have a pure for man work they're just not mentally suited , only reason I keep this headcase around is for all her faults she's a cracking dog to have about the place real laugh a minute always in the back of my head that she'll have to go the minute I feel she's a risk to anyone but myself though. It sounds like you're playing a dangerous game keeping a dog that could go off any minute in a city. Accidents happen,I hope you stay lucky. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Totally agree I'd never have a pure for man work they're just not mentally suited , only reason I keep this headcase around is for all her faults she's a cracking dog to have about the place real laugh a minute always in the back of my head that she'll have to go the minute I feel she's a risk to anyone but myself though. It sounds like you're playing a dangerous game keeping a dog that could go off any minute in a city. Accidents happen,I hope you stay lucky. She's never put in a position where she'd have the opportunity to go off on a member of the public, honestly I understand your concern but she wouldn't still be here if I thought she posed a genuine risk to the public. She's actually mellowed a lot in her old age, can't remember the last time she really lost it I'll continue taking all necessary precautions until it becomes too much of a headache or she's putting other people at risk I wouldn't call where she stays a city either Edited December 21, 2015 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flacko 1,755 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 My original comment on this is I thought it was poor, I've got a Mally bitch here she's been since 8 weeks old & that would be burglar would have been fecked power drive & fitness no letting only for better hold atb Flacko 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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