Van Gaal

[NEWKID 27,545]

If the plan is Gaurdiola, then I would keep LVG until the end of the season and bring him in, he'll need a long contract and patience from the board and fans.

[NEWKID 27,545]

 

Springer, they will be back but it's just the direction they are taking at the moment that's surprising me , the midfield hasn't been properly rebuilt for at least five years, the one we have now is weak and slow.

I disagree a bit mate. We got decent ball playing midfielders in Herrera and Mata who could release the quicker attacking players like Depay and Martial if they were utilised properly. Mata's got a goal or two in him to boot. Pisses me off all this talk of a 'philosophy', that's all well and good but the best managers can alter their tactics to best use the talents of their players imo.

I agree with both of you, there is quality there but it is being stifled, it's not so much the pace of the players is the pace in which the ball is moved.

Look at the side with Beckham, Scholes, Keane in it, not renowned pacy players, by they attacked with pace, with outlets like Giggs, or Yorke who were released quickly.

The slow retention of ball doesn't help quick forwards, look at how Arsenal use Walcott, or Leicester with Vardy, the ball is moved through the midfield very quickly.

With Martial we have that type of outlet, and Mata, Herera, Rooney are all quality ball players, why put Fellaini up top?

Defenders aren't scared of size they're scared of pace, they need to start shifting the ball quickly.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

Jd hahaha how deluded are you the keeper is world glass and if it wasn't for him I hate to think where about we would be, player of season the last two seasons and a toss up between himself and smalling for this season, I for one am glad he's still our keeper for however long it will be,

well I cant be the only deluded one or he,d be playing for madrid

[bracken boy 584]

Springer, didn't lvg bring in a very slow not fit for the prem bastien? Malt, mata can play but he can't beat a man and he's awful coming back and in this team we need 11 players with 100% matas little legs get stuck in the mud lol

Edited December 23, 2015 by bracken boy

[Malt 379]

Springer, didn't lvg bring in a very slow not fit for the prem bastien? Malt, mata can play but he can't beat a man and he's awful coming back and in this team we need 11 players with 100% matas little legs get stuck in the mud lol

He don't need to beat a man on the dribble when he can do it with a pass though, don't forget he led in the assist stats for quite a few seasons. He's also got age on his side.

[gnasher16 30,470]

I can see what jdhunting is trying to say and i agree to a point....im a West Ham fan and dont really give a f**k for any club apart from West Ham so i might be way off....but even i can recognise there has always been a certain " style " Man Utd have played with,to me they are the biggest club in the land and fans should therefore be entitled to expect the style of football that brought them that label....that doesnt mean they are entitled to win trophies with it though.....i think Mourinho is completely wrong for Utd to me he is just a good Sam Allardyce he doesnt play to a teams strength he plays to his own strength and builds squads with that concept.... as Allardyce does.....i agree with Malt truly great managers dont import quick fix solutions they adapt to the hand they are dealt and that takes time but unlike years ago when the manager managed the team and the coach coached the team i feel the managers in the game today have far too much importance/power and should not be able to alter the basic philosophy of a club like Allardyce did to us and in my opinion Mourinho would do at Utd.

Edited December 23, 2015 by gnasher16

[NEWKID 27,545]

 

Springer, didn't lvg bring in a very slow not fit for the prem bastien? Malt, mata can play but he can't beat a man and he's awful coming back and in this team we need 11 players with 100% matas little legs get stuck in the mud lol

He don't need to beat a man on the dribble when he can do it with a pass though, don't forget he led in the assist stats for quite a few seasons. He's also got age on his side.

Can't give you a like Mal, but agreed

[bracken boy 584]

So you saying he don't need to track back because the reason we losing drawing is when our midfield lose the ball they can't track back, in my view we need 11 players doing a whole job in attack and defence, look we all have our views but I think the stats say we are well down in more than one department

[NEWKID 27,545]

I can see what jdhunting is trying to say and i agree to a point....im a West Ham fan and dont really give a f**k for any club apart from West Ham so i might be way off....but even i can recognise there has always been a certain " style " Man Utd have played with,to me they are the biggest club in the land and fans should therefore be entitled to expect the style of football that brought them that label....that doesnt mean they are entitled to win trophies with it though.....i think Mourinho is completely wrong for Utd to me he is just a good Sam Allardyce he doesnt play to a teams strength he plays to his own strength and builds squads with that concept.... as Allardyce does.....i agree with Malt truly great managers dont import quick fix solutions they adapt to the hand they are dealt and that takes time but unlike years ago when the manager managed the team and the coach coached the team i feel the managers in the game today have far too much importance/power and should not be able to alter the basic philosophy of a club like Allardyce did to us and in my opinion Mourinho would do at Utd.

I think that's what every UTD fan wants Gnash, at least some decent football being played, this is the 3rd season of shit football, forget trophys and they've spent a fortune!

Van Gaal was never a long time fix, but he's taking the club backwards imo, you can't sign a player like di Maria and make him shit in 1 season lol.

I'm unsure on Mourhino too, But it might work, Giggs could be kept on and eventually continue.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

So you saying he don't need to track back because the reason we losing drawing is when our midfield lose the ball they can't track back, in my view we need 11 players doing a whole job in attack and defence, look we all have our views but I think the stats say we are well down in more than one department

I dont see why youd want your playmaker to track back? Put pressure on the defense yes tracking right back, not for me I want him were he xan do his damage ie up the pitch

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,208]

The way I look at it is quite similar to gnasher16 but I understand the United frustrations,

 

A man Utd season ticket holder doesn't pay his hard earned for the crack of the day out, or to be entertained by the thought of winning or a cheeky moment.

 

They go to watch what is meant to be some of the worlds best football.

 

Personally, I think moyes was the wrong choice initially, he started a very downward trend, through no fault of his own, he was merely out of depth as his limits were found out.

 

This is a special club, look at the joy players show when scoring at old Trafford against United....a goal against the Red Devils is a career highlight for a lot of players, definitely more so than against other sides in the league...

 

United are the benchmark, they have dominated English football for nigh on twenty years, you take away the Chelsea and city wins which were bought, you could say United are the team most people expect to win the league,....

 

There is a huge school of thought that this class of 92 nostalgia bought United the league again and again...nonsense, three players emerged imho who were crucial, beckham, Gary Neville and scholes, the others were b rate....additionally arguably more essential players were bought by United ,at often a very high cost,Keane, ronaldo, Rio Ferdinand , van mistletoe, vidic, were all not exactly bargains basement. This is often overlooked and it is rank hypocrisy to say that city etc just price everyone out as United have been doing it for years....

 

I don't think you will get guardiola, you don't have the funds or the patience required for him to build as he will want to, Uniteds board need a trophy and quick, so I think you will get Jose , remember, guardiola has chinned you off once before, what makes you arrogant fans think he will want to come now?

 

Now again, your arrogance leads you to believe that winning is not enough, it has t be done the United way, how quAint, the United way was all very well when you had all the superstars bar a smattering at Liverpool and Arsenal, but now city Chelsea etc have reserve teams better than your starting eleven, it's all, "well we won the league with style"

 

You ask a koppite if they were happy with Liverpool trying to pass the ball in the net at the back end of the season they crumbled, or would they have rather had John Terry in the back four clipping heels against palace and Chelsea and trying to hit the Albert dock with every clearance....?

 

So I'm afraid you must either choose longevity of style or quick fix success?

 

I'd take the success every day, "legends" have you tube videos and memes online...winners have medals to look back at.

[bracken boy 584]

Agreed of course but he's got a duty to track back from the attacking half into a certain area, just look what happend to Memphis didn't want to track back and utd conceded,

[NEWKID 27,545]

The way I look at it is quite similar to gnasher16 but I understand the United frustrations,

A man Utd season ticket holder doesn't pay his hard earned for the crack of the day out, or to be entertained by the thought of winning or a cheeky moment.

They go to watch what is meant to be some of the worlds best football.

Personally, I think moyes was the wrong choice initially, he started a very downward trend, through no fault of his own, he was merely out of depth as his limits were found out.

This is a special club, look at the joy players show when scoring at old Trafford against United....a goal against the Red Devils is a career highlight for a lot of players, definitely more so than against other sides in the league...

United are the benchmark, they have dominated English football for nigh on twenty years, you take away the Chelsea and city wins which were bought, you could say United are the team most people expect to win the league,....

There is a huge school of thought that this class of 92 nostalgia bought United the league again and again...nonsense, three players emerged imho who were crucial, beckham, Gary Neville and scholes, the others were b rate....additionally arguably more essential players were bought by United ,at often a very high cost,Keane, ronaldo, Rio Ferdinand , van mistletoe, vidic, were all not exactly bargains basement. This is often overlooked and it is rank hypocrisy to say that city etc just price everyone out as United have been doing it for years....

I don't think you will get guardiola, you don't have the funds or the patience required for him to build as he will want to, Uniteds board need a trophy and quick, so I think you will get Jose , remember, guardiola has chinned you off once before, what makes you arrogant fans think he will want to come now?

Now again, your arrogance leads you to believe that winning is not enough, it has t be done the United way, how quAint, the United way was all very well when you had all the superstars bar a smattering at Liverpool and Arsenal, but now city Chelsea etc have reserve teams better than your starting eleven, it's all, "well we won the league with style"

You ask a koppite if they were happy with Liverpool trying to pass the ball in the net at the back end of the season they crumbled, or would they have rather had John Terry in the back four clipping heels against palace and Chelsea and trying to hit the Albert dock with every clearance....?

So I'm afraid you must either choose longevity of style or quick fix success?

I'd take the success every day, "legends" have you tube videos and memes online...winners have medals to look back at.

Class of 92, you're forgetting Giggs, he definetly wasnt b rate!

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,208]

Giggs was established already.....

[WILF 47,662]

Right here's a curve ball for you then......new manager for Unt........Ally McCoist ?

 

A former striker who managed a top side in Scotland.......echoes of Fergie for you there.