Andy Lee V Billy Joe Saunders

[MickC 1,825]

Lee has the advantage in power but Saunders is the better boxer however can Lee actually land the big shot to stop Saunders or can saunders actually out box him ? Thing is though Lee has won all his fights under Booth but in all his fights with him he has always had to come from behind to get the win,will this happen in this fight as if he gives to many rounds away he will have to go after Saunders who always boxes better when fighters go after him.Should be a good match up and the tactics to negate each other will be interesting .

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

 

what do you think of Booth as a trainer gnash? I'm not convinced, he doesn't have the look of a boxing man to me and some have referred to him as a glorified PT - I get what they mean. Difficult to assess some coaches credentials . . Did they help make a good fighter or just jump on the bandwagon

How you doing sir good i hope.....watch him work the heavy bag for 5 minutes and he,ll look every bit a boxing man .....i know what you mean he almost seems too intelligent and clean cut but it seems to be the new era of trainers a lot of them are getting their education in the classroom before their experience in the ring its just the way it is now but for somebody who didnt turn pro himself i personally think he reads a fight well and has a great understanding of the psychology of a fighter........he is the polar opposite to Jimmy Tibbs which is what i,ll find fascinating about this contest.....Jimmy just tells the truth of the situation he sees in front of him he doesnt really get into fighters minds he explains and teaches in simple technically proficient ways whereas Booth can and does win fighters over with his demeanour he can almost charm the best out of a fighter where Jimmy will go for an old school bollocking .........Jimmy has strict trainer/fighter relationships he doesnt get involved in things away from a boxing ring where Booth tends to build friendships with fighters and being a good businessman will negotiate contracts and generally become a fighters friend......the qualifications are necessary in todays times but of course nothing will beat experience but it shows you how valuable the science of strength/conditioning is when you see fighters going with the likes of Booth,the Mcguigan lad etc.............but yes i do rate Booth,not so much in terms of basics and technical ability id stick a kid with Jimmy all day long but in terms of putting the finishing touches on and other things surrounding a fight then yes i think he will do well..... Booth pulled in John Ryder to help Lee get ready for this fight,paying him way over the odds....... smart move for all concerned so theres a lot more to being a good trainer than just the fight itself.

not too bad governor, thank you very much - hope you're all set for Christmas .. Thanks got elaborating, I'll take your word for it there, I must say I've not seen him throw leather.. And yes you've nailed it on many points, he does come across as perhaps overly articulate, whilst I'm more inclined towards the authenticity of pure pugilism and the practitioners of .. The likes of Tibbs, Davies, Duff (R.I.P) and someone I know personally Jim Evans of Maidenhead, from my experience what he doesn't know about the sweet science isn't worth knowing. Tony Sims should fit into the same sort of category, I appreciate he's younger, but again I'm not overly convinced - I don't think he's cut quite from the same cloth as Tibbs despite his acclaim from others.

 

A trainer I would have liked to work with is Jim McDonnell, he seems to lay somewhere between the two of pugilism and psychology, a hybrid if you like, leaning more to the former of the two for sure, but I think he gets inside the head of fighter well.. Booth is the same, but more toward the latter, I suppose this is bound to happen 'hybrid' coaches almost, of which Booth is the foremost.. On the point of Booth making friendships with fighters, I see Groves has recently talked of being abamdoned by him, not sure how credible Groves is, don't know much about him personally.

 

All that said, in Eubanks corner you've got the lot, goodness knows how it works, some dynamics going on there .. Ronnie Davies face looks a picture at times, that said he is stern at the best of times .. Yes Ryder is a good fighter, I don't know what happened against Blackwell, off night maybe.. Could go on talking about the dynamics of coaching and coaches, but I think that could make another thread.. Looking forward to the show..

 

Likewise mate i could probably natter on all day its a subject i have more interest in than fighting itself these days....i can only speak about trainers ive known of course but its interesting the way the game has changed over the years you mentioned Mickey Duff and he was the perfect example,back in those days people like Duff,Ernie Fossey,Frank Black,Denni Mancini etc were all great boxing men with heaps of knowledge but apart from Frank none of them were strictly boxing coaches its how it was back then they all had a hand in everything from managing to matchmaking to cornering whereas today someone like Jim Mcdonnell is a boxing trainer and thats it......therefore when people like Jimmy Tibbs or Ronnie Davies ply their trade in todays times they are in many ways stepping into the unknown as again,they are strictly boxing coaches and nothing else.

 

Duff understood nothing about psychology he would motivate fighters by telling them if they didnt win they wasnt getting paid ....he would bully fighters and of course that wouldnt work with fighters today,i guess its like anything all trainers have different qualities some are great motivators some read a fight well some are great technicians but a good trainer today will have many strings to his bow Joe Gallagher is like that he doesnt shine in any one department but is a very rounded trainer......most trainers will adapt a fighter to their way of fighting to a degree,Jimmy Tibbs always liked the come forward box/fighter types so naturally people he trained would tend to adopt that style....similar to how Booth seems to click with hard hitters etc.......but for me a really top coach with do that without taking away a fighters natural abilities not all fighters can be coached the same of course.....anyway i,m rambling now all the best for christmas chief and interesting to hear your views as always.

Edited December 19, 2015 by gnasher16

[flipbull 1,139]

This Mitchell Smith gotta bit of a attitude on him. Very confident with it.

[nans pat 2,575]

wats the link to watch it on.

[darbo 4,776]

i think 50/50 fight saunders has the busy style to gain a points win. Lee is a dangerous puncher can knock out a fighter with either hand.

[flipbull 1,139]

Well done Jupp

[shepp 2,285]

If anybody has any links to streaming the boxing could you put a link up please.

[flipbull 1,139]

If anybody has any links to streaming the boxing could you put a link up please.

http://blog.buttermouth.com/2012/05/top-10-websites-to-sports-streaming.html

[flipbull 1,139]

 

If anybody has any links to streaming the boxing could you put a link up please.

http://blog.buttermouth.com/2012/05/top-10-websites-to-sports-streaming.html

 

Used to always use it. Good luck

[flipbull 1,139]

Lee has the advantage in power but Saunders is the better boxer however can Lee actually land the big shot to stop Saunders or can saunders actually out box him ? Thing is though Lee has won all his fights under Booth but in all his fights with him he has always had to come from behind to get the win,will this happen in this fight as if he gives to many rounds away he will have to go after Saunders who always boxes better when fighters go after him.Should be a good match up and the tactics to negate each other will be interesting .

Hard fight to bet on. Draw 18/1

[shepp 2,285]

 

 

If anybody has any links to streaming the boxing could you put a link up please.

 

http://blog.buttermouth.com/2012/05/top-10-websites-to-sports-streaming.html

Used to always use it. Good luck

Many thanks, I'll give it a go

[flipbull 1,139]

 

 

 

If anybody has any links to streaming the boxing could you put a link up please.

http://blog.buttermouth.com/2012/05/top-10-websites-to-sports-streaming.html

Used to always use it. Good luck.

Many thanks, I'll give it a go

 

Theres 10 sites on there. BOSSCAT usually good

 

Bookmark that link and you will be okay for next time

Edited December 19, 2015 by flipbull

[flipbull 1,139]

Had Smith round 7 @ 9/1 riding on Lee in round 11 @ 33/1. 340/1 double. Gotta be in it to win it. Had smith between single 7-9 to @ 10/3 . Accumulater went down the swanny the 1st fight being a draw

Edited December 19, 2015 by flipbull

[david jones 97]

There both likeable but bill should do it iv got thirty quid on him to do it

[flipbull 1,139]

Good rnd 1 to BJ. Looks sharp