neil cooney 10,416 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 we shouldnt support farmers unless they agree to right of wandering about their land,.. So you wouldn't support the farmers who've already giving you permission ? Lets just say a farmer with 200 or 300 acres told you he'd give you permission but no one else. You're saying that you'd say to that farmer "No thanks unless everyone can go on ." ? ime in ireland mate..anybody with 300 acres is a planter ..no permission required..its him maybe needs the permission. You're joking right, LOL. Answer my original question. If you were told by the owner of a large farm that you could hunt it but no one else, would you tell that farmer NO ? sure i couldnt be a baliff for him.how would i know who else hunted it or give a fcuk who hunted it. OK, that's fine. So if you got your own permission it's open to all with no problems. So you would tell the farmer No Thanks. At least you're not a hypocrite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeskyWabbits 464 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 I work as a PC engineer by day but am 5th generation on this small holding. I want to keep my farm in the family and because I have no kids, I have offered to give my farm away to relations, just to keep it in the family. This is when I am and my arms and legs don't work. But.. no one wants it. Because farming, even hobby farming, is a World of Work. Walling, fencing, planting, maintaining. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,901 Posted December 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 I would guess most big company owners are also landowners / farmers ,for financial reasons one of them no inheritance tax on land , no matter how much of it you got . the country is is run by the landed . yes the ones at the bottom will be squeezed by the ones at the top . but farming is the biggest self regulated operation their is . the mind boggles at some of the freebies the large land owners give themselves out of taxes lol but are quick enough to pull the rug when Joe pubic gets a sniff . the landed / farm owners run the country , make the rules and the 1st thing their money buys is the best education it can. Wealthy , hardworking and educated . you can't expect a farmer with 100 acre to be as wealthy as one with 5000 acre , its all relevant . who is the biggest land/farm owner in the country now ? Maybe not the queen anymore I was always under the impression it was Prince Charles ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,901 Posted December 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 I work as a PC engineer by day but am 5th generation on this small holding. I want to keep my farm in the family and because I have no kids, I have offered to give my farm away to relations, just to keep it in the family. This is when I am and my arms and legs don't work. But.. no one wants it. Because farming, even hobby farming, is a World of Work. Walling, fencing, planting, maintaining. Aye but for all that your living and it's a great life......10 months in and it's been nothing but outlay and work and dealing with problems. Would I change it?.......would I f**k ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 I would guess most big company owners are also landowners / farmers ,for financial reasons one of them no inheritance tax on land , no matter how much of it you got . the country is is run by the landed . yes the ones at the bottom will be squeezed by the ones at the top . but farming is the biggest self regulated operation their is . the mind boggles at some of the freebies the large land owners give themselves out of taxes lol but are quick enough to pull the rug when Joe pubic gets a sniff . the landed / farm owners run the country , make the rules and the 1st thing their money buys is the best education it can. Wealthy , hardworking and educated . you can't expect a farmer with 100 acre to be as wealthy as one with 5000 acre , its all relevant . who is the biggest land/farm owner in the country now ? Maybe not the queen anymoreI was always under the impression it was Prince Charles ? Forestry Commission is the largest single landowner with the Crown Estates coming a distant second Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yorkshire 151 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) I would guess most big company owners are also landowners / farmers ,for financial reasons one of them no inheritance tax on land , no matter how much of it you got . the country is is run by the landed . yes the ones at the bottom will be squeezed by the ones at the top . but farming is the biggest self regulated operation their is . the mind boggles at some of the freebies the large land owners give themselves out of taxes lol but are quick enough to pull the rug when Joe pubic gets a sniff . the landed / farm owners run the country , make the rules and the 1st thing their money buys is the best education it can. Wealthy , hardworking and educated . you can't expect a farmer with 100 acre to be as wealthy as one with 5000 acre , its all relevant . who is the biggest land/farm owner in the country now ? Maybe not the queen anymoreI was always under the impression it was Prince Charles ?May be I should have said the crown , not the queen , forestry commission is a government department so not sure how that fits with ownership . Edited December 11, 2015 by yorkshire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gamerooster 1,179 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Airgun ant, it's was a big house not far outside of penrith, that's the biggest one busted, but trust me there's bigger!!! And wilf I buy anything from anywhere, do I care if my lamb is from new Zealand, beef from Argentina or pork from Sweden. ... no, do I heck, times change, and either farmers do with it or they go the way of the dodo, why should we have to pay to bail them out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,317 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Airgun ant, it's was a big house not far outside of penrith, that's the biggest one busted, but trust me there's bigger!!! And wilf I buy anything from anywhere, do I care if my lamb is from new Zealand, beef from Argentina or pork from Sweden. ... no, do I heck, times change, and either farmers do with it or they go the way of the dodo, why should we have to pay to bail them out That's the problem in farming, the cost of production in Ireland/UK is much higher than in South America or New Zealand, and the farmer pays the extra cost of production which is going where? In Ireland if subsidises were revoked % of Farmers would not make a living from the land and so would go out of business. Therefore prices of food would go up (supply and demand) extra cost to the consumer. Farmers spend : tractors, sheds, vets, seed, fertiliser etc etc. most farmers are asset rich and cash poor, plus rural Ireland would become a wasteland, no country pubs for tourists, no youth as they've moved to the city to find work, a lot of industries piggyback on the shirt tails of rural Ireland and these would all fail. The Goverment, supermarkets and consumers want to pay as little as possible for food and the Taxpayers subsidise to this to prevent economic and social chaos. Argentinian beef, go ahead and buy the hgh ridden beef, blame your colon cancer on fast food from McDonalds. That's the problem with the discerning consumer today. Doesn't want to pay for food. Cheap battery chicken for 2 euro or properly produced free range bird for 10 euro? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gamerooster 1,179 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Or rear my own like i do, if needs must I could be self sufficient in regards to food, I just choose not to be...... and as a man who likes to hit the gym, hgh in my beef doesn't scare me, the opposite really Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,777 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 "who is the biggest land/farm owner in the country now ? Maybe not the queen anymore Would think the church have a acre or two ! .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,800 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I have permission on about 20 farms in Cornwall, mostly dairy, some mixed. I'm on first name terms with about another 20 or so farmers locally. Non are skint (despite them telling you they are ) all have valuable assets but the one thing I've found is that they all work hard till they die! Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yorkshire 151 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) "who is the biggest land/farm owner in the country now ? Maybe not the queen anymoreWould think the church have a acre or two ! ..Yes church has plenty anything called glebe is or was church owned , they do sell some. forestry , m.o.d , national trust and crown (different to the queens personal estate) , James dyson the hover man owns more land than the queen !!!! Big companies invest in land/farming , home and abroad . wealthy , educated and hard working . the large land owners run the show , the smaller ones aspire too. They are all farmers . Edited December 12, 2015 by yorkshire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 One of the biggest landowners in Lincoln is James Dyson, of Dyson Vaccums. I believe he bought it all as a tax efficient way of transferring wealth to the next generation... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11315175/Sir-James-Dyson-now-owns-more-land-in-England-than-the-Queen.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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