France Elections: National Front Leads In Regional Polls

[kanny 21,274]

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Edited December 10, 2015 by kanny

[kanny 21,274]

Neems and BGD imo far left or far right are just as bad as each other and neither never end well ....Our democracy is fundamentally central with slight swings to left or right to counter act problems at a given time but big knee jurk swings don't do any good in the long run and only bring oppression .... newtons 3rd law ... For every action there's a equal reaction. I believe This is as true for politics as it is the physical universe .

Edited December 11, 2015 by kanny

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

What would be your reaction if she DID want to marry a non-muslim given that its your daughters happiness we are talking about,muslim men can marry non muslim but muslim women cant marry a non muslim,bit one sided.

i answered previously I would not accept it and she would cease to be apart of my extended family. I dont believe in forced marriage before you ask. I believe my Daughter has been brought up correctly to respect her faith and her family and traditions. She respects people and society she has friends from all backgrounds races and religions and is capable to understand life and what actions have what consequences it is unfortunate that lots of people dont have that approach to their own children. I live my life with the policy I treat people with respect and dignity and expect the same in return, if some one misbehaves with me or my family then the actions and consequence comes into play. Treat people as you want to be treated yourself. I see people behave in different ways they are responsible for their actions or should be. One sided does not enter into it Law is often criticised for being unfair but its implemented isnt it?

I have to say, having conversed with you over this forum a fair bit, I was pretty surprised to read this.

I mean I admire your strength of feeling about your faith and I never doubted it from reading your posts but I also didn't for one minute you would choose it's rules over your family......you just didn't come across like that.

 

Personally, I think my personal interpretation of faith allows for most things as I take a view, as long as you are not doing harm or hurt, then you are being a human being which is what whoever set us off intended.

There is no right and wrong as long as you are kind is my philosophy.

 

Children are the ultimate gift and experience of heaven (for want of a better word)......nothing would make me turn away from them and I mean nothing.

They are all that is good and beautiful made flesh.

See, I reckon all living things are like a marble on a mountain......the great force that created it all made the marble and then let it go down the mountainside.......what course it takes on they way down is unknown and out of it's makers control.

 

Anyway, that's my view and I was never much one for rules and regulations anyway ! Lol

 

Wilf couple of points for you to consider. You and a couple of others say you wouldnt turn away from your children no matter what. Do yo think theMuslim parents whos children born here go to fight for Daesh in Iraq or Syria or involve in illegal terror support do you thinktheir parents shouls support them no matter what. The peopl involvedin the grooming do you think their parents should support them no matter what. I could go on discipline and education is whatkeeps children on the straight and narrow, Lack of parental control and discipline leads to all kinds of problems as is evident round the world. I have a family that cares for our children as much or if not more than most, any one misbehave with them The misbehavior would have to suffer severe consequence. the family members know the boundaries and stay within them unlike a lot of disfunctional families around the world.

Edited December 11, 2015 by desertbred

[DIDO.1 22,855]

I would say both the things you mention are as bad as abandoning (or even killing) daughters for marrying a non Muslim...

 

All are symptoms of a sick cult of death.

[WILF 48,740]

 

 

 

What would be your reaction if she DID want to marry a non-muslim given that its your daughters happiness we are talking about,muslim men can marry non muslim but muslim women cant marry a non muslim,bit one sided.

 

i answered previously I would not accept it and she would cease to be apart of my extended family. I dont believe in forced marriage before you ask. I believe my Daughter has been brought up correctly to respect her faith and her family and traditions. She respects people and society she has friends from all backgrounds races and religions and is capable to understand life and what actions have what consequences it is unfortunate that lots of people dont have that approach to their own children. I live my life with the policy I treat people with respect and dignity and expect the same in return, if some one misbehaves with me or my family then the actions and consequence comes into play. Treat people as you want to be treated yourself. I see people behave in different ways they are responsible for their actions or should be. One sided does not enter into it Law is often criticised for being unfair but its implemented isnt it?

I have to say, having conversed with you over this forum a fair bit, I was pretty surprised to read this.

I mean I admire your strength of feeling about your faith and I never doubted it from reading your posts but I also didn't for one minute you would choose it's rules over your family......you just didn't come across like that.

Personally, I think my personal interpretation of faith allows for most things as I take a view, as long as you are not doing harm or hurt, then you are being a human being which is what whoever set us off intended.

There is no right and wrong as long as you are kind is my philosophy.

Children are the ultimate gift and experience of heaven (for want of a better word)......nothing would make me turn away from them and I mean nothing.

They are all that is good and beautiful made flesh.

See, I reckon all living things are like a marble on a mountain......the great force that created it all made the marble and then let it go down the mountainside.......what course it takes on they way down is unknown and out of it's makers control.

Anyway, that's my view and I was never much one for rules and regulations anyway ! Lol

Wilf couple of points for you to consider. You and a couple of others say you wouldnt turn away from your children no matter what. Do yo think theMuslim parents whos children born here go to fight for Daesh in Iraq or Syria or involve in illegal terror support do you thinktheir parents shouls support them no matter what. The peopl involvedin the grooming do you think their parents should support them no matter what. I could go on discipline and education is whatkeeps children on the straight and narrow, Lack of parental control and discipline leads to all kinds of problems as is evident round the world. I have a family that cares for our children as much or if not more than most, any one misbehave with them The misbehavior would have to suffer severe consequence. the family members know the boundaries and stay within them unlike a lot of disfunctional families around the world.

Discipline and values are one thing, disowning your child because of a rule in a book (a book that should be promoting love and forgiveness by the way) is quiet another.

The situations you mention above are very different, one is because your child has fallen in love with someone and the other is because they want to do harm to someone.......that is worlds apart IMHO

 

Even if a child of mine did commit some awful act, they would still be my child and I would work to my dieing breath to bring them back to the right path and find some peace.

That don't mean that their actions may be forgiven, but it's my duty as a parent to be there no matter how dark the situation.

That is Christian love and sacrifice.......it's why Jesus allowed himself to be crucified......to take away the sins of others.

[desertbred 5,490]

I would say both the things you mention are as bad as abandoning (or even killing) daughters for marrying a non Muslim...

 

All are symptoms of a sick cult of death.

your not a Muslim so your point has no bearing regarding a non Muslim marriage, just out of interest would you allow your daughter to marry a Muslim ?

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

 

What would be your reaction if she DID want to marry a non-muslim given that its your daughters happiness we are talking about,muslim men can marry non muslim but muslim women cant marry a non muslim,bit one sided.

i answered previously I would not accept it and she would cease to be apart of my extended family. I dont believe in forced marriage before you ask. I believe my Daughter has been brought up correctly to respect her faith and her family and traditions. She respects people and society she has friends from all backgrounds races and religions and is capable to understand life and what actions have what consequences it is unfortunate that lots of people dont have that approach to their own children. I live my life with the policy I treat people with respect and dignity and expect the same in return, if some one misbehaves with me or my family then the actions and consequence comes into play. Treat people as you want to be treated yourself. I see people behave in different ways they are responsible for their actions or should be. One sided does not enter into it Law is often criticised for being unfair but its implemented isnt it?

I have to say, having conversed with you over this forum a fair bit, I was pretty surprised to read this.

I mean I admire your strength of feeling about your faith and I never doubted it from reading your posts but I also didn't for one minute you would choose it's rules over your family......you just didn't come across like that.

Personally, I think my personal interpretation of faith allows for most things as I take a view, as long as you are not doing harm or hurt, then you are being a human being which is what whoever set us off intended.

There is no right and wrong as long as you are kind is my philosophy.

Children are the ultimate gift and experience of heaven (for want of a better word)......nothing would make me turn away from them and I mean nothing.

They are all that is good and beautiful made flesh.

See, I reckon all living things are like a marble on a mountain......the great force that created it all made the marble and then let it go down the mountainside.......what course it takes on they way down is unknown and out of it's makers control.

Anyway, that's my view and I was never much one for rules and regulations anyway ! Lol

Wilf couple of points for you to consider. You and a couple of others say you wouldnt turn away from your children no matter what. Do yo think theMuslim parents whos children born here go to fight for Daesh in Iraq or Syria or involve in illegal terror support do you thinktheir parents shouls support them no matter what. The peopl involvedin the grooming do you think their parents should support them no matter what. I could go on discipline and education is whatkeeps children on the straight and narrow, Lack of parental control and discipline leads to all kinds of problems as is evident round the world. I have a family that cares for our children as much or if not more than most, any one misbehave with them The misbehavior would have to suffer severe consequence. the family members know the boundaries and stay within them unlike a lot of disfunctional families around the world.

Discipline and values are one thing, disowning your child because of a rule in a book (a book that should be promoting love and forgiveness by the way) is quiet another.

The situations you mention above are very different, one is because your child has fallen in love with someone and the other is because they want to do harm to someone.......that is worlds apart IMHO

 

Even if a child of mine did commit some awful act, they would still be my child and I would work to my dieing breath to bring them back to the right path and find some peace.

That don't mean that their actions may be forgiven, but it's my duty as a parent to be there no matter how dark the situation.

That is Christian love and sacrifice.......it's why Jesus allowed himself to be crucified......to take away the sins of others.

 

Love or lust is a thin dividing line when it comes to marriage divorce in the west is to easily acceptable within some groups as is out of wedlock child birth and gay marriage all things people try to justify one way or another , wrong is wrong in my eyes not by degrees you kill some one deliberately its murder not any excuse even some accidents are murder, The troubles in Ireland because of sectarian divide inter marriage happens but both sides dont fully accept it. Nowadays may be more but not totally. . Educated folk understand what works and what doesnt, the majority of culturally opposite marriages dont.work, ,even some folk dont want to live in certain areas do they Wilf ?never mind inter marriage, some dont want their kids in the same school as Muslims would they welcome a Muslim girl or boy into the family as a Muslim ? Maybe some of us are worldly wise and honest about reality.

Edited December 11, 2015 by desertbred

[jacknife 2,005]

Just another thing that shows how backward the religion is

 

A muslim man can marry a non muslim women....kids would be his so classed as muslim

 

A muslim women cannot marry a muslim man....kids would be his so not classed as muslim

 

The virus must spread

[DIDO.1 22,855]

 

 

I would say both the things you mention are as bad as abandoning (or even killing) daughters for marrying a non Muslim...

 

All are symptoms of a sick cult of death.

your not a Muslim so your point has no bearing regarding a non Muslim marriage, just out of interest would you allow your daughter to marry a Muslim ?

I couldn't stop her as western women have equality with men.

I would hope it was a relationship based on MUTUAL respect.

I would also hope my daughter would grow up with her eyes open to the dangers of Muslim men. Dangers proved time and time again.

 

I did have some respect for you but the more you say the more you prove what lies behind your sick cult and the dangers it holds to OUR country.

[desertbred 5,490]

Unlike your Christian religion where male marries male or female marries female then adopts kids of hetrosexual parents and they dont know if mummy or daddy is Sally or Harry and you call islam backward ffs LOL

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

I would say both the things you mention are as bad as abandoning (or even killing) daughters for marrying a non Muslim...

 

All are symptoms of a sick cult of death.

your not a Muslim so your point has no bearing regarding a non Muslim marriage, just out of interest would you allow your daughter to marry a Muslim ?

I couldn't stop her as western women have equality with men.

I would hope it was a relationship based on MUTUAL respect.

I would also hope my daughter would grow up with her eyes open to the dangers of Muslim men. Dangers proved time and time again.

 

I did have some respect for you but the more you say the more you prove what lies behind your sick cult and the dangers it holds to OUR country.

 

Your comment I couldnt stop her speaks volumes doesnt it , you would if you could thats the truth isn it. Also you Refer to the dangers of Muslim men stereo typing is unbecoming but crack on its your way of life

Edited December 11, 2015 by desertbred

[WILF 48,740]

Your right Ayatollah, some people don't want to live in certain areas.....but that is just engineering, no parent knows how the finished product turns out.

You just do your best and let the cards fall where they may.

What I do know is that nothing in heaven and earth would make me completely turn away from my children.

 

That's don't make me a man of less faith......maybe it makes me more than someone who just gets told what to do chapter and verse ?

 

Like any intelligent person I would have to way the situation on its merits and then advise and argue based on that......if they were determined then I would have to be humble about it and be there to pick up the bits if it went wrong.

 

Responsibility, love, forgiveness, sacrifice........thats how it gos down;)

[tatsblisters 10,802]

Just another thing that shows how backward the religion is

 

A muslim man can marry a non muslim women....kids would be his so classed as muslim

 

A muslim women cannot marry a muslim man....kids would be his so not classed as muslim

 

The virus must spread

TBH mate i know of a few muslims who have married christian women and tbf have not inflicted their religion on their kids or their partners these are the small minority of muslims i have respect for.

[kanny 21,274]

Just another thing that shows how backward the religion is

A muslim man can marry a non muslim women....kids would be his so classed as muslim

A muslim women cannot marry a muslim man....kids would be his so not classed as muslim

The virus must spread

TBH mate i know of a few muslims who have married christian women and tbf have not inflicted their religion on their kids or their partners these are the small minority of muslims i have respect for.[/quote

 

good Muslim girls in there droves coming out looking for a good non Muslim men...... I have a friend who is about to have a christian wedding with a former Muslim girl. .. like it or not there becoming westernised and less tolerant to islamic oppression as it should be.

[desertbred 5,490]

Your right Ayatollah, some people don't want to live in certain areas.....but that is just engineering, no parent knows how the finished product turns out.

You just do your best and let the cards fall where they may.

What I do know is that nothing in heaven and earth would make me completely turn away from my children.

 

That's don't make me a man of less faith......maybe it makes me more than someone who just gets told what to do chapter and verse ?

 

Like any intelligent person I would have to way the situation on its merits and then advise and argue based on that......if they were determined then I would have to be humble about it and be there to pick up the bits if it went wrong.

 

Responsibility, love, forgiveness, sacrifice........thats how it gos down;)

Wilf some times the pieces are not there to be picked up are they. Since my retirement I deal with social lissues on a daily basis within the local community Islamic, Christian and Jewish so have a first hand up to date briefing on many issues relating to family issues and problems so my experience both pre retirement and now shows me that my understanding and solutions are more consistent than most and pre emptive action is much better than post.