Breaking To Deer?

[low plains drifter 10,499]

 

 

 

So come on then explain

 

Right so first things first . . . . I'm the know it all? Whereas you saying that a dog that can be broken to bolting deer lacks drive and shouldn't be bred from is . . . . . ??? What exactly.

 

When I wrote what I did, I KNEW it'd start an argument. . . . why? Because this site is full of folk who 'know it all' without having an actual point of reference, or personal experience of whatever is being discussed.

 

So lets try to debate it without name calling.

 

Anyway, I have seen a very driven dog turn its head and watch a group of fallow belting across a banking in front of it that it KNEW it could chase and catch, and yet it didn't.

 

And ten mins later I have seen that dog find and take on an incredibly formidable quarry head on, something which takes a lot more drive and guts than chasing the deer.

 

I would happily have a pup off said dog, if I was looking for a deer dog.

 

So go figure Dogs are crazy and wonderful things.

Well done ideation good post trust me on this I wouldn't have a pup of a dog that don't chase a deer big difference in a dog being on the slip to off (phil lyodd your photo )and if a dog stood and watched a deer run by off the slip it would be gone by the morning and should not be breed from

I didn't say you didn't know owt about dogs, just that I have seen something which leads me to a different opinion. And in this case, I think there is quite a lot of truth in my statement.

 

You are inclined to your opinion but I'll say it again, I've seen a dog that has been TRAINED to ignore deer running past. . . . but could and would take one easily if allowed. It has broken the rules in the past and been corrected for it. It will not chase them, and yet no one could question the dogs drive, bottle or abilities. Its a HELL of a dog.

 

If I wanted a deer dog I would have a pup out of it.

Must have taken some effort to break the dog to the bouncing white keister, we've only got the roe where i am, and they can be a feckin nightmare, the population is increasing every year, must admit though it would be nice to have some CWD and muntjac up here in the north east

[Ideation 8,216]

 

 

 

 

So come on then explain

Right so first things first . . . . I'm the know it all? Whereas you saying that a dog that can be broken to bolting deer lacks drive and shouldn't be bred from is . . . . . ??? What exactly.

 

When I wrote what I did, I KNEW it'd start an argument. . . . why? Because this site is full of folk who 'know it all' without having an actual point of reference, or personal experience of whatever is being discussed.

 

So lets try to debate it without name calling.

 

Anyway, I have seen a very driven dog turn its head and watch a group of fallow belting across a banking in front of it that it KNEW it could chase and catch, and yet it didn't.

 

And ten mins later I have seen that dog find and take on an incredibly formidable quarry head on, something which takes a lot more drive and guts than chasing the deer.

 

I would happily have a pup off said dog, if I was looking for a deer dog.

 

So go figure Dogs are crazy and wonderful things.

Well done ideation good post trust me on this I wouldn't have a pup of a dog that don't chase a deer big difference in a dog being on the slip to off (phil lyodd your photo )and if a dog stood and watched a deer run by off the slip it would be gone by the morning and should not be breed from

 

 

I didn't say you didn't know owt about dogs, just that I have seen something which leads me to a different opinion. And in this case, I think there is quite a lot of truth in my statement.

 

You are inclined to your opinion but I'll say it again, I've seen a dog that has been TRAINED to ignore deer running past. . . . but could and would take one easily if allowed. It has broken the rules in the past and been corrected for it. It will not chase them, and yet no one could question the dogs drive, bottle or abilities. Its a HELL of a dog.

 

If I wanted a deer dog I would have a pup out of it.

 

So back pre-ban, if you wanted a deer dog, you would rather have a pup out of said dog instead of a dog catching deer regularly?

 

 

I didn't necessarily mean I would chose that pup over another, but if put to the right bitch I would imagine that the dog would produce cracking deer dogs pre ban, despite not being used for deer and having been broken to them. As nuts as it sounds. Wales12345 knows the dog I mean.

 

lpd - Yes I believe it took a lot of effort and the dog is immaculately well trained.

[neems 2,406]

Ideation - I might have missed it,but was the dog you're talking about broken to them as an adult?

That would be impressive,but I don't think I'd ever trust a reformed deer dog,especially when he stumbles across one in thick cover.

[Ideation 8,216]

Ideation - I might have missed it,but was the dog you're talking about broken to them as an adult?

That would be impressive,but I don't think I'd ever trust a reformed deer dog,especially when he stumbles across one in thick cover.

 

 

No it was brought up specifically to not hunt them.

 

Although I've another friend who took a job in a deer park once upon a time pre ban, he had some good deer dogs and managed to break them mostly to them, with collars and much shouting etc. They would not chase when in his presence or his wives, but other wise couldn't really be trusted.

[neems 2,406]

 

Ideation - I might have missed it,but was the dog you're talking about broken to them as an adult?

That would be impressive,but I don't think I'd ever trust a reformed deer dog,especially when he stumbles across one in thick cover.

 

 

No it was brought up specifically to not hunt them.

 

Although I've another friend who took a job in a deer park once upon a time pre ban, he had some good deer dogs and managed to break them mostly to them, with collars and much shouting etc. They would not chase when in his presence or his wives, but other wise couldn't really be trusted.

 

 

That's a very different proposition to what the OP wants to do,I don't think it would be that different to stockbreaking.

 

But expecting an adult dog that knows the score to leave them alone off lead,sometimes in cover far away from its owner,I'd have to see it to believe it.

[Ideation 8,216]

 

 

Ideation - I might have missed it,but was the dog you're talking about broken to them as an adult?

That would be impressive,but I don't think I'd ever trust a reformed deer dog,especially when he stumbles across one in thick cover.

 

 

No it was brought up specifically to not hunt them.

 

Although I've another friend who took a job in a deer park once upon a time pre ban, he had some good deer dogs and managed to break them mostly to them, with collars and much shouting etc. They would not chase when in his presence or his wives, but other wise couldn't really be trusted.

 

 

That's a very different proposition to what the OP wants to do,I don't think it would be that different to stockbreaking.

 

But expecting an adult dog that knows the score to leave them alone off lead,sometimes in cover far away from its owner,I'd have to see it to believe it.

 

 

I agree. I think it is probably possible if the dog is closer to you than it is to the deer, but off a lone. . . . . very difficult.

 

The dog that was broken from a pup still caught the pre ban when he was a bit over excited on occasion but got a proper bollocking for it, and it was rare. So he knew they were prey and it was possible, but he just didn't hunt or chase them. Also filtered out their scent.

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

Just because a dogs been trained not to catch deer don't mean it wouldn't or it hasn't got the minerals to do it. Sighthounds main quarry is deer, and fair play if you can break a dog to them. I'd imagine if you run an estate or had permission on an estate and there were deer on it, then you would be left with no choice other than to try and break them to deer?

[paulsmithy83 567]

You can break a lurcher/terrier or gun dogs to rabbits. So why is a deer so difficult. Your surposed to be in control not the dog.

[paulsmithy83 567]

Just because a dogs been trained not to catch deer don't mean it wouldn't or it hasn't got the minerals to do it. Sighthounds main quarry is deer, and fair play if you can break a dog to them. I'd imagine if you run an estate or had permission on an estate and there were deer on it, then you would be left with no choice other than to try and break them to deer?

i have perm on a very large estate i walk i hope my back fence to it. When i first gained permission deer was off the cards and had no choice but to break them to deer. As the years went by trust was gained but the hardest thing to do if done correctly is un break them to something. After i gained the perm for deer it wasnt untill my pup was reared could i start to hunt them again. I could never un break the ones i had broken to deer lol

[leegreen 2,173]

Dogs can be trained to leave anything, but they can't be trained to catch everything,

 

Take the dog to a deer pen/park and go from there.

[spindolero 1,111]

they manage to break foxhounds to them

[squab 2,875]

give this a try

 

 

range up to 1200m on open ground,3 correction modes,tone,vibration and pulse stimulation,see how i get on got read up on it yet plenty vids on you tube for correct use

[lurcherman 887 13,144]

Pal used zap his when he chased certain quarry in the end dog stopped running anything ?

[mattyg 1,862]

My lot are broken to all quarry I think as they bloody catch sod all..... Now a leaf or crisp packet in the wind..... That's a different matter!

Best of luck with the collar mate!

Matt

[squab 2,875]

Pal used zap his when he chased certain quarry in the end dog stopped running anything

be lucky if mine even notices it