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I think breeding terriers is similar to breeding game dogs in that you're breeding for mental traits rather than physical and because of that as soon as you start culling physical characteristics that

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and

Lurchers you really dont sound like your talking from experience. Have you read a load of D.B Plummer books and become an expert? Dillydog is 100% right we all throw a percentage of bad mouths,bad coa

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  On 30/11/2015 at 17:36, lurchers said:

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.
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I had a small smooth bitch years ago who was terribly undershot with one of her lower canines nearly sticking into her nose.

She was very hard and I can honestly say that when she died at 5 years of age that bloody tooth was still there, it was probably the only one she had left.

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Seen pups that were bred a few year ago that were very undershot but in no way did it effect them from working,imo people nowadays show more interest in what a terrier looks like rather than if its a good worker.Nothing wrong with a terrier that looks the part and also works well but it would not bother me in the slightest if it was the ugliest dog in the land as long as it works.I have 2 litter sisters here,1 nice type of bitch the other stumpy little f****r but both do whats asked of them and there is no favourites.

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  On 02/12/2015 at 12:45, alcapone said:

 

  On 30/11/2015 at 17:36, lurchers said:

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.

Yeah years and years ago before they started breeding the faults out of them,yes your pups will probably be fine but watch what they throw out could be 1 could be the full litter.and as for sitting out and saying nothing that's what makes you know nowt as all you will be listening to is the ones that can talk the talk ??

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  On 02/12/2015 at 18:57, lurchers said:

 

  On 02/12/2015 at 12:45, alcapone said:

 

  On 30/11/2015 at 17:36, lurchers said:

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.

Yeah years and years ago before they started breeding the faults out of them,yes your pups will probably be fine but watch what they throw out could be 1 could be the full litter.and as for sitting out and saying nothing that's what makes you know nowt as all you will be listening to is the ones that can talk the talk

 

I would say Alcapone walks the walk aswell.

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  On 02/12/2015 at 18:57, lurchers said:

 

  On 02/12/2015 at 12:45, alcapone said:

 

  On 30/11/2015 at 17:36, lurchers said:

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.
Yeah years and years ago before they started breeding the faults out of them,yes your pups will probably be fine but watch what they throw out could be 1 could be the full litter.and as for sitting out and saying nothing that's what makes you know nowt as all you will be listening to is the ones that can talk the talk ??
Lurchers you really dont sound like your talking from experience. Have you read a load of D.B Plummer books and become an expert? Dillydog is 100% right we all throw a percentage of bad mouths,bad coat or odd dog a touch long in the back,but why would you look to correct them faults with an outcross and risk losing what we actually breed for which is working terriers. Your user name is very apt "lurchers".....you should stick to them! Edited by alcapone
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  On 29/11/2015 at 18:05, leethedog said:

Some of the best holding dogs are bred to be under shot eg bull dogs

That's kc made up nonsense! Best gripping dogs are all nice even scissor bite. Pits, Mastiffs, German Shepherds, Presa, proper American Bulldogs etc all have a nice bite.

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  On 03/12/2015 at 18:46, Glyn..... said:

Seen loads of undershot terriers work hell of a lot of the blacks where before the lines where improved ....For the show ring

Back in the day when blacks were called crossbreeds at the shows there was a lot of undershot dogs about, they still worked :D

 

Cheers, D.

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