hjckcff 1,738 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 if you want sound working stock you breed away from faults like bad mouths. most of them will work fine with no problems at all. but if they are badly undershot then that can be a problem. and teeth are the first thing to suffer. one of the most inportant things on a worker is its teeth so its best to breed for a good bite. once a reccessive fault is in your terriers it will be a real difficult thing to get out. give them a good full working life then stamp on there arse (not to be bred from) . its worth bareing in mind that if you have a pup with a bad mouth then both parents are carrying the reccessive gene. its good practice to breed for sound animals. even more for workers. 4 1 Quote Link to post
rob284 1,682 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 if you want sound working stock you breed away from faults like bad mouths. most of them will work fine with no problems at all. but if they are badly undershot then that can be a problem. and teeth are the first thing to suffer. one of the most inportant things on a worker is its teeth so its best to breed for a good bite. once a reccessive fault is in your terriers it will be a real difficult thing to get out. give them a good full working life then stamp on there arse (not to be bred from) . its worth bareing in mind that if you have a pup with a bad mouth then both parents are carrying the reccessive gene. its good practice to breed for sound animals. even more for workers. fault. Whats the fault, in working dog terms? Quote Link to post
hjckcff 1,738 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 if you want sound working stock you breed away from faults like bad mouths. most of them will work fine with no problems at all. but if they are badly undershot then that can be a problem. and teeth are the first thing to suffer. one of the most inportant things on a worker is its teeth so its best to breed for a good bite. once a reccessive fault is in your terriers it will be a real difficult thing to get out. give them a good full working life then stamp on there arse (not to be bred from) . its worth bareing in mind that if you have a pup with a bad mouth then both parents are carrying the reccessive gene. its good practice to breed for sound animals. even more for workers. fault. Whats the fault, in working dog terms? undershot is one word for a problem that can range frome minor. ie. level bite or slightly undershot. to badly undershot. where the bottom jaw protrudes further. this to me would be a real problem as it will get damaged during work. loseing teeth faster. if your bottom jaw stuck out two inch farther than your top would you take up a career as a boxer. 2 Quote Link to post
lurchers 2,768 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 if you want sound working stock you breed away from faults like bad mouths. most of them will work fine with no problems at all. but if they are badly undershot then that can be a problem. and teeth are the first thing to suffer. one of the most inportant things on a worker is its teeth so its best to breed for a good bite. once a reccessive fault is in your terriers it will be a real difficult thing to get out. give them a good full working life then stamp on there arse (not to be bred from) . its worth bareing in mind that if you have a pup with a bad mouth then both parents are carrying the reccessive gene. its good practice to breed for sound animals. even more for workers. fault. Whats the fault, in working dog terms? undershot is one word for a problem that can range frome minor. ie. level bite or slightly undershot. to badly undershot. where the bottom jaw protrudes further. this to me would be a real problem as it will get damaged during work. loseing teeth faster. if your bottom jaw stuck out two inch farther than your top would you take up a career as a boxer. You wouldn't be from him either as the off Spring will be the same a problem. Quote Link to post
rob284 1,682 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lose teeth faster, take more damage? Bullshit. 1 Quote Link to post
lurchers 2,768 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate. Quote Link to post
rob284 1,682 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Nobody has explained the actual fault of an undershot dog? Its a fault in the show ring, but it sure doesnt stop em working, and theres dogs to prove it. Im sure nuttall and the like wouldnt want it in their dogs, they wouldnt sell! 2 Quote Link to post
hjckcff 1,738 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lose teeth faster, take more damage? Bullshit. ok 1 Quote Link to post
Daniel cain 45,289 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lose teeth faster, take more damage? Bullshit.I had a damn good black dog was undershot,put him to a bitch was overshot(all i had around me at the time)-had 4 pups,3 had shit mouths had no teeth by end of second season,bitch with tidy mouth kept most of hers,I spayed her and she went to a pethome when she was 6.so from my own experience I would say there's some truth in that last comment and it's not bullshit rob.same dog was put to bitches with goodmouths and never had problem again.my last litter was bred from his last surviving son(perfect jaw/bite) to bitch with good mouth and every pup perfect.but I personally think the problem will arise again,could be wrong only time will tell.you should strive if your breeding to breed away from faults-just my thoughts on the subject.happy digging.atb dc 1 Quote Link to post
howdeeposxxt 1,448 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Where is the fault in an undershot mouth, apart from been as ugly as shit, If i bred from an undershot dog and knew the pups would work i wouldnt give a fxxk and sure as hell would nt call that a fault. A working terrier is a working terrier at the end of he day however he/she appears. I would'nt care if it had 3 heads 18 legs and 4 willies. And past it on to all their future blood once they worked well. WHERE IS THE FAULT ????????????? Undershot /over they ll loose them anyway. Edited November 30, 2015 by howdeeposxxt 1 Quote Link to post
Daniel cain 45,289 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Nobody has explained the actual fault of an undershot dog? Its a fault in the show ring, but it sure doesnt stop em working, and theres dogs to prove it. Im sure nuttall and the like wouldnt want it in their dogs, they wouldnt sell!plenty of Nuttuals stock where undershot and threw undershot mate.and still sold FACT.atb dc Quote Link to post
rob284 1,682 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Dogs dont lose teeth because theyre offset a few mill, they lose em because they work hard, same as a dog with a perfect bite. 2 Quote Link to post
mango 342 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Dogs dont lose teeth because theyre offset a few mill, they lose em because they work hard, same as a dog with a perfect bite. Agree with that, the dog does'nt work with it's mouth shut does it, so what difference a few mill makes to losing teeth and damage in general is beyond me. 2 Quote Link to post
shaneg 2,578 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I personal don't like an undershot dog. If picking a pup I would never take an under shot dog if I had the choice. The last undershot dog I had lost all his bottom teeth bar his two fangs in his season. 1 Quote Link to post
Flacko 1,744 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I just thought the setting of teeth was just cosmetic had terriers in past undershot never a problem & my old apbt was undershot never effected him atb Flacko 1 Quote Link to post
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