Undershot

[lurchers 2,768]

 

 

 

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.

Yeah years and years ago before they started breeding the faults out of them,yes your pups will probably be fine but watch what they throw out could be 1 could be the full litter.and as for sitting out and saying nothing that's what makes you know nowt as all you will be listening to is the ones that can talk the talk ??

Lurchers you really dont sound like your talking from experience. Have you read a load of D.B Plummer books and become an expert? Dillydog is 100% right we all throw a percentage of bad mouths,bad coat or odd dog a touch long in the back,but why would you look to correct them faults with an outcross and risk losing what we actually breed for which is working terriers. Your user name is very apt "lurchers".....you should stick to them!

Never read plumber books lad,as for an outcross I didn't mention that I said try to breed the faults out of the dogs not make more by putting 2 bad mouth dogs together and breed more bad mouth faults.i have experience and a lot of you just look for worker to worker which can and does fail.also you don't selective bred as the size of most of the terriers now are getting to the height of whippets and span able as a bull terrier.i think you are best off keeping your shite mate and I will keep mine. Edited December 4, 2015 by lurchers

[hjckcff 1,738]

the best bite is surely the bite that all canines where given by thousands of years of selective breeding and natural culling. what bite does our terriers ancesters have. nobody is saying that a slight underbite stops a dog from working. and i doubt it will give them any banefit so why breed away from the correct bite that canines where given by nature. ? and its nothing to do with showing its more to do with facing a problem in most folks lines.

[Glyn..... 5,208]

both above average workers

[BGD 6,436]

I think breeding terriers is similar to breeding game dogs in that you're breeding for mental traits rather than physical and because of that as soon as you start culling physical characteristics that don't have a direct negative impact on their ability to work you're at risk of losing the main thing you're breeding for.

 

The only thing you should take into account when breeding terriers or game dogs is working ability, everything else will fall into place

[wilbur foxhound 480]

I think breeding terriers is similar to breeding game dogs in that you're breeding for mental traits rather than physical and because of that as soon as you start culling physical characteristics that don't have a direct negative impact on their ability to work you're at risk of losing the main thing you're breeding for.

The only thing you should take into account when breeding terriers or game dogs is working ability, everything else will fall into place

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[Dabhand 887]

The last thing i would worry about in a terrier is it being undershot

[chesney 5,445]

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Edited April 5, 2020 by chesney

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Ffs Ches .Just read the whole thing awaiting a good case for not having a bad jaw and you deleted it .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

One thing I steered away from was bad jaw .I hate it and been very lucky I havnt  bred anything that had it .

The Stevens stuff I amalgamated would not have happened had it had any recent trace of undershot jaws .

I think some lads are only too happy it works and that looks take a back seat .You can have both and I’d say there are more smart looking workers about at this point in time than ever before .Not seen an undershot dog in years thankfully .

[chesney 5,445]

1 hour ago, foxdropper said:

Ffs Ches .Just read the whole thing awaiting a good case for not having a bad jaw and you deleted it .

i didnt even mean ta bring up this thread i was trying to post on another one but to be honest an undershot dog wouldnt bother me once it was working for the work id give him he wouldnt have them undershot for long.

[Loton Moocher 1,254]

I gota a beddy bitch thats slightly undershot but has agrip like a vice it not once been a bother work wise 

[dogmandont 9,809]

Would rather a terrier that hasn’t an underbite but it really doesn’t bother me unless it was really bad. 

[EDDIE B 3,166]

Wouldnt litter mates of an undershot dog not have the same risk of passing on the deformity as the actual undershot dog?

[howdeeposxxt 1,448]

No joke, best worker I ever had.

[EDDIE B 3,166]

14 minutes ago, howdeeposxxt said:

No joke, best worker I ever had.

Had a litter brother of that one