Undershot

[Wales1234 5,509]

He's here to stay anyway don't give a shit if he gone be shit in the show ring never really been to one aslong as he does the job I'm not really bothered

[Guest alcapone]

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.

[neil cooney 10,416]

I had a small smooth bitch years ago who was terribly undershot with one of her lower canines nearly sticking into her nose.

She was very hard and I can honestly say that when she died at 5 years of age that bloody tooth was still there, it was probably the only one she had left.

[fat man 4,741]

Seen pups that were bred a few year ago that were very undershot but in no way did it effect them from working,imo people nowadays show more interest in what a terrier looks like rather than if its a good worker.Nothing wrong with a terrier that looks the part and also works well but it would not bother me in the slightest if it was the ugliest dog in the land as long as it works.I have 2 litter sisters here,1 nice type of bitch the other stumpy little f****r but both do whats asked of them and there is no favourites.

[lurchers 2,768]

 

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.

Yeah years and years ago before they started breeding the faults out of them,yes your pups will probably be fine but watch what they throw out could be 1 could be the full litter.and as for sitting out and saying nothing that's what makes you know nowt as all you will be listening to is the ones that can talk the talk ??

[fat man 4,741]

 

 

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.

Yeah years and years ago before they started breeding the faults out of them,yes your pups will probably be fine but watch what they throw out could be 1 could be the full litter.and as for sitting out and saying nothing that's what makes you know nowt as all you will be listening to is the ones that can talk the talk

 

I would say Alcapone walks the walk aswell.

[dillydog 8,463]

I don't think i know a single line of terriers that doesn't throw an undershot pup, or bad coat, to big, to small, you name it they've thrown it

Edited December 2, 2015 by dillydog

[leethedog 3,071]

How about a serious over bite who threw this lol

[Guest alcapone]

 

 

Do you think somebody like John park,Brian nuttall and the other lads would let you put you bad mouth dog into a good working line with probably no problems like that just to deck the breed up,I dout they would even take the risk so why should other people,you could ruin a good working stud just for the (I don't care bit mate).it takes some people a lot of time and effort to work out what type of dog you want and I don't think putting undershot in goes into the make up either.dont get me wrong if it's for your own use and only want that 1 pup,fine then you know what you have and that's your choice but I dout a lot of lads would be thinking otherwise mate.

Ken Goulds Nigger was undershot by an inch and he bred him extensivly,your not talking from experience just speculation.....best you sit this debate out. A man once said your better to say nothing and be thought as stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! Ive just bred 2 closely related dogs both undershot and outstanding workers,both pups have good mouths,as in a perfect scissor bite,undershot is just an upside down scossor bite,it affects nothing.

Yeah years and years ago before they started breeding the faults out of them,yes your pups will probably be fine but watch what they throw out could be 1 could be the full litter.and as for sitting out and saying nothing that's what makes you know nowt as all you will be listening to is the ones that can talk the talk ??

Lurchers you really dont sound like your talking from experience. Have you read a load of D.B Plummer books and become an expert? Dillydog is 100% right we all throw a percentage of bad mouths,bad coat or odd dog a touch long in the back,but why would you look to correct them faults with an outcross and risk losing what we actually breed for which is working terriers. Your user name is very apt "lurchers".....you should stick to them! Edited December 3, 2015 by alcapone

[Glyn..... 5,208]

Seen loads of undershot terriers work hell of a lot of the blacks where before the lines where improved ....For the show ring

Edited December 3, 2015 by Glyn.....

[j1985 1,983]

Some of the best holding dogs are bred to be under shot eg bull dogs

That's kc made up nonsense! Best gripping dogs are all nice even scissor bite. Pits, Mastiffs, German Shepherds, Presa, proper American Bulldogs etc all have a nice bite.

[wilbur foxhound 480]

it dont matter if there teeth are straight or not,once they have a mouth full of fur there teeth won't meet,wf

[dytkos 17,791]

Seen loads of undershot terriers work hell of a lot of the blacks where before the lines where improved ....For the show ring

Back in the day when blacks were called crossbreeds at the shows there was a lot of undershot dogs about, they still worked

 

Cheers, D.

[leethedog 3,071]

If q dog has a proper mouthful its not just the front teeth holding don't think many dogs take a nibble at prey this lump is undershot to feck I don't think he holds just on the Front

Edited December 3, 2015 by leethedog

[Hydropotesinermis 724]

The front of the jaw is furthest from the fulcrum so surely when a dog has ahold the front teeth do very little?

 

In which case being undershot shouldn't be an issue.

 

I don't know if that is correct but it maes sense in my head.