Paris Shooting And Possibly Grenades Tonight

[Francie 6,368]

I'm just contemplating the coincidences of 9/11, 7/7, an now Paris, of the drills being done, on the day of each terrorist attack.

 

Folk on here complain about gov an news all the time an the liberal agenda, so I don't think my post was anything out of the ordinary johnny.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc

 

While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me.

 

For arguments sake,say the civilians were expected to pass a course much harder in terms of safety and marksmanship than soldiers/police,would they be qualified enough for you then?

 

If they were selected by people we pay and trust to select people and trained to the highest standard i would put my trust in said people yes of course.

 

What i couldnt do is just presume that anyone who,s a good shot and passed a test has the correct experience and emotional/mental approach to be carrying a gun around with them

[paulus 26]

 

 

Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc

 

While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me.

 

For arguments sake,say the civilians were expected to pass a course much harder in terms of safety and marksmanship than soldiers/police,would they be qualified enough for you then?

 

If they were selected by people we pay and trust to select people and trained to the highest standard i would put my trust in said people yes of course.

 

What i couldnt do is just presume that anyone who,s a good shot and passed a test has the correct experience and emotional/mental approach to be carrying a gun around with them

 

any daft twat can point and shoot, the trick is to know when too and that will only come from experience, you can shoot all the targets you want and train all you want but if you can not control the Adrenalin and think ahead of the action whilst under the pressure of possibly someone killing or attempting to kill you and other`s around them, then your an accident and a liability claim in the making.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc

 

While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me.

Without a shadow of a doubt you are correct. If I'm shopping on the high-street and an Islamic hit squad start shooting the place up I want a fully tooled up SAS squadron to immediately kick the doors in and do what they do best. They're the best in the world and I want nothing short of that. In France at that rock concert, as soon as the French counter terror team got on the scene they went in and ended things like well honed professionals, but 89 are still in the morgue...

 

Fact is they're not always around the corner for us, the police aren't always around to protect us from nasty people. The vast majority of the time you're on your own. And that's why some people want the right to carry. To save lives until the professionals turn up.

 

For a situation that occurs in any random area across the world once in a blue moon you are willing to bring in a culture totally alien to us which will undoubtedly lead to various local accidents/tragedies......do you not think the sickos might just change their tactics from shooting people to planting bombs,driving buses into buildings or a hundred other different possibilities..........will the newsreaders be saying " 200 people died today when Canary Wharf was bombed....but dont worry nobody got shot "......i mean where does it all stop.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc

 

While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me.

 

For arguments sake,say the civilians were expected to pass a course much harder in terms of safety and marksmanship than soldiers/police,would they be qualified enough for you then?

 

If they were selected by people we pay and trust to select people and trained to the highest standard i would put my trust in said people yes of course.

 

What i couldnt do is just presume that anyone who,s a good shot and passed a test has the correct experience and emotional/mental approach to be carrying a gun around with them

 

 

The test can be very hard is the point,it could involve using a weapon safely under a lot of pressure,weapon handling,safety and the law.

 

And a lot of people would pay a lot of money to do these courses,pass or fail and for the weapon,license,insurance etc so it's not like the taxpayer would be hit by subsidising it.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

 

any daft twat can point and shoot, the trick is to know when too and that will only come from experience, you can shoot all the targets you want and train all you want but if you can not control the Adrenalin and think ahead of the action whilst under the pressure of possibly someone killing or attempting to kill you and other`s around them, then your an accident and a liability claim in the making.

 

Couldnt agree more

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

 

The test can be very hard is the point,it could involve using a weapon safely under a lot of pressure,weapon handling,safety and the law.

 

And a lot of people would pay a lot of money to do these courses,pass or fail and for the weapon,license,insurance etc so it's not like the taxpayer would be hit by subsidising it.

 

I get what your saying i just tend to believe some folk are born to do stuff and have a natural talent/ability be that physical or mental.

 

With dedication and perseverance id like to think i could bring myself up to any good soldiers level of shooting.....but with some c**t throwing hand grenades at me i,ll leave my firearm wherever i find it and be on my toes double lively in boots full of my own shit and piss.......now i dont care if your Mike Tyson or King Kong i,ll have a stand up with anyone but every man should know his limitations and the nature of the subject of guns would lead me to believe a lot of people dont/wouldnt

Edited November 16, 2015 by gnasher16

[socks 32,253]

 

The test can be very hard is the point,it could involve using a weapon safely under a lot of pressure,weapon handling,safety and the law.

 

And a lot of people would pay a lot of money to do these courses,pass or fail and for the weapon,license,insurance etc so it's not like the taxpayer would be hit by subsidising it.

 

I get what your saying i just tend to believe some folk are born to do stuff and have a natural talent/ability be that physical or mental.

 

With dedication and perseverance id like to think i could bring myself up to any good soldiers level of shooting.....but with some c**t throwing hand grenades at me i,ll leave my firearm wherever i find it and be on my toes double lively in boots full of my own shit and piss.......now i dont care if your Mike Tyson or King Kong i,ll have a stand up with anyone but every man should know his limitations and the nature of the subject of guns would lead me to believe a lot of people dont/wouldnt

Spot on gnash ... I could take a dozen level headed intelligent blokes and train them to the highest standard of gun control ... Their skills and drills would be second to none ... I could run them through scenario after scenario BUT that's all they are scenarios ... The dozen lads would know that they were only using blanks and thunder flashes they know the pretend enemy can't actually hurt them ... A live combat situation with shrapnel and rounds whizzing past your head is a far different proposition to training and I strongly believe that only combat hardened veterans should be allowed to carry a weapon for the safety of the general public .......

[Guest Navek]

Who said that navek, what I said was, in glad they were there carrying out these drills, same as the other attacks, or it could have been a lot worse, make what you want from it, I was just stating the facts.

no worries mate just crossed wires I thought you ment a big conspiracy theory

[socks 32,253]

 

The test can be very hard is the point,it could involve using a weapon safely under a lot of pressure,weapon handling,safety and the law.

 

And a lot of people would pay a lot of money to do these courses,pass or fail and for the weapon,license,insurance etc so it's not like the taxpayer would be hit by subsidising it.

 

 

With dedication and perseverance id like to think i could bring myself up to any good soldiers level of shooting.....

Lol you couldn't even master a fukcing catapult .......

[nans pat 2,575]

england,v france cancelled...getting jittery

[johnny boy68 11,726]

england,v france cancelled...getting jittery

Nothing on any news sites.....where you hear that?

[johnny boy68 11,726]

england,v france cancelled...getting jittery

double post

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

The test can be very hard is the point,it could involve using a weapon safely under a lot of pressure,weapon handling,safety and the law.

 

And a lot of people would pay a lot of money to do these courses,pass or fail and for the weapon,license,insurance etc so it's not like the taxpayer would be hit by subsidising it.

 

I get what your saying i just tend to believe some folk are born to do stuff and have a natural talent/ability be that physical or mental.

 

With dedication and perseverance id like to think i could bring myself up to any good soldiers level of shooting.....but with some c**t throwing hand grenades at me i,ll leave my firearm wherever i find it and be on my toes double lively in boots full of my own shit and piss.......now i dont care if your Mike Tyson or King Kong i,ll have a stand up with anyone but every man should know his limitations and the nature of the subject of guns would lead me to believe a lot of people dont/wouldnt

 

 

Well if an armed Frenchman ran away from those terrorists,I wouldn't blame them,but there'd be nothing lost.

 

If you were trapped in that cafe would you rather have a gun or not have one?

That's not even mentioning the rapes,muggings and murders it would prevent.

 

But it's obvious a lot of people stand on the side of the criminals in the west,people get sent down for defending themselves without weapons often enough so legally carrying any weapon is a pipe dream.

Edited November 16, 2015 by neems

[bob.243 8,815]

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