Paris Shooting And Possibly Grenades Tonight

[walshie 2,804]

If they gave Walshie a CCW permit I'd move to fecking Australia, it'd be the only way to stay safe he'd be blasting away at every shadow thinking it was a big cat

 

There's no big cats here mate.

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

once again the silence from muslims condemming this is deafening ---surprised? nah

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/14/3722277/muslims-condemn-paris-attacks-pope-francis/

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/

 

http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/what-muslims-are-saying-about-the-paris-attacks/

 

Literally all on the first page of Google, did you even look to see if Muslims had been condemning the attack before making your silly little post?

How about actively working with police and intelligence agencies to share any knowledge of potential extremists or why is there no group in any Islamic communities with the sole job of pacifying

and condemning extremist beliefs and dangers? The main reason is they would be ostracised, intimidated, threatened, bashed, shot,etc. I know of a Muslim doctor here in Oz who openly criticises extremism and he and his kids have experienced all of the above bar being shot but I would not be surprised if that happens soon. As far as I know he is a lone voice in the whole muslim community. Islamic groups verbally condemn these attacks and think that is enough, but I ask where is the real action?

There's plenty of anti extremist activity in the Muslim community, Imams cooperating with the security services, anti-radicalisation charities, groups that give talks in schools etc etc. If you're not seeing it it's obviously because you're not looking for it.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

once again the silence from muslims condemming this is deafening ---surprised? nah

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/14/3722277/muslims-condemn-paris-attacks-pope-francis/

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/

 

http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/what-muslims-are-saying-about-the-paris-attacks/

 

Literally all on the first page of Google, did you even look to see if Muslims had been condemning the attack before making your silly little post?

How about actively working with police and intelligence agencies to share any knowledge of potential extremists or why is there no group in any Islamic communities with the sole job of pacifying

and condemning extremist beliefs and dangers? The main reason is they would be ostracised, intimidated, threatened, bashed, shot,etc. I know of a Muslim doctor here in Oz who openly criticises extremism and he and his kids have experienced all of the above bar being shot but I would not be surprised if that happens soon. As far as I know he is a lone voice in the whole muslim community. Islamic groups verbally condemn these attacks and think that is enough, but I ask where is the real action?

There's plenty of anti extremist activity in the Muslim community, Imams cooperating with the security services, anti-radicalisation charities, groups that give talks in schools etc etc. If you're not seeing it it's obviously because you're not looking for it.

And there obviously not working either.

[walshie 2,804]

 

I don't think the people you listed above would even make 5% of the population though and once you take out the ones who don't want to do it there wouldn't be many left.

Then allow concerned and responsible citizens to be trained and tested to the standard necessary. If 5% of the population were trained militia that would make a he'll of a difference.

 

 

On a sensible note, once you take out the kids and o.a.ps from the population, you're probably down to half what it actually is, so you'd be looking for 10% of what's left. Once you'd weeded out the Walter Mitty Rambo wannabes (read airsoft fans) and the nutjobs, and the people who don't want to, and the people with checkered pasts, and the stupid ones who couldn't pass the training, How many would you be left with? Some of those would probably be country people who don't visit cities, so wouldn't be much good anyhow.

 

Nice idea though.

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

 

once again the silence from muslims condemming this is deafening ---surprised? nah

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/14/3722277/muslims-condemn-paris-attacks-pope-francis/

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/

 

http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/what-muslims-are-saying-about-the-paris-attacks/

 

Literally all on the first page of Google, did you even look to see if Muslims had been condemning the attack before making your silly little post?

How about actively working with police and intelligence agencies to share any knowledge of potential extremists or why is there no group in any Islamic communities with the sole job of pacifying

and condemning extremist beliefs and dangers? The main reason is they would be ostracised, intimidated, threatened, bashed, shot,etc. I know of a Muslim doctor here in Oz who openly criticises extremism and he and his kids have experienced all of the above bar being shot but I would not be surprised if that happens soon. As far as I know he is a lone voice in the whole muslim community. Islamic groups verbally condemn these attacks and think that is enough, but I ask where is the real action?

There's plenty of anti extremist activity in the Muslim community, Imams cooperating with the security services, anti-radicalisation charities, groups that give talks in schools etc etc. If you're not seeing it it's obviously because you're not looking for it.

And there obviously not working either.

I'm not debating the effectiveness of the schemes but to come into this thread and say the Muslim community hasn't condemned the attacks and does nothing to combat extremism is ridiculous and demonstrably false. Edited November 15, 2015 by BGD

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

 

I don't think the people you listed above would even make 5% of the population though and once you take out the ones who don't want to do it there wouldn't be many left.

 

Then allow concerned and responsible citizens to be trained and tested to the standard necessary. If 5% of the population were trained militia that would make a he'll of a difference.

On a sensible note, once you take out the kids and o.a.ps from the population, you're probably down to half what it actually is, so you'd be looking for 10% of what's left. Once you'd weeded out the Walter Mitty Rambo wannabes (read airsoft fans) and the nutjobs, and the people who don't want to, and the people with checkered pasts, and the stupid ones who couldn't pass the training, How many would you be left with? Some of those would probably be country people who don't visit cities, so wouldn't be much good anyhow.

 

Nice idea though.

And we'll never know without trying. It's naive to think suddenly everywhere would have trained combatants ready to defend, but at least some places would. Which is an improvement on what we have now. Where these terrorists strike are hugely dense population centers, thousands of citizens in immediate danger.... All that's needed is a few to be capable and carrying.

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

I don't think the people you listed above would even make 5% of the population though and once you take out the ones who don't want to do it there wouldn't be many left.

Then allow concerned and responsible citizens to be trained and tested to the standard necessary. If 5% of the population were trained militia that would make a he'll of a difference.

On a sensible note, once you take out the kids and o.a.ps from the population, you're probably down to half what it actually is, so you'd be looking for 10% of what's left. Once you'd weeded out the Walter Mitty Rambo wannabes (read airsoft fans) and the nutjobs, and the people who don't want to, and the people with checkered pasts, and the stupid ones who couldn't pass the training, How many would you be left with? Some of those would probably be country people who don't visit cities, so wouldn't be much good anyhow.

 

Nice idea though.

And we'll never know without trying. It's naive to think suddenly everywhere would have trained combatants ready to defend, but at least some places would. Which is an improvement on what we have now. Where these terrorists strike are hugely dense population centers, thousands of citizens in immediate danger.... All that's needed is a few to be capable and carrying.

 

could even be paid for by the commercial interests within a given area as a public who fears to go into populated areas like shops and that will not be beneficial to these commercial interests bottom line

[WILF 46,873]

It makes you understand how a man of intelligence and culture like Heydrich can think up something like the final solution.

When you can see no other way forward for your country and your people what do you have left?

 

Politicians are playing a very dangerous game, they are positively asking for a repeat of what we saw in Germany in the 30s and 40s

 

If it did, the blame would lay squarely at the feet of the leaders of Europe and their predecessors IMHO

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

 

 

 

I don't think the people you listed above would even make 5% of the population though and once you take out the ones who don't want to do it there wouldn't be many left.

 

Then allow concerned and responsible citizens to be trained and tested to the standard necessary. If 5% of the population were trained militia that would make a he'll of a difference.

On a sensible note, once you take out the kids and o.a.ps from the population, you're probably down to half what it actually is, so you'd be looking for 10% of what's left. Once you'd weeded out the Walter Mitty Rambo wannabes (read airsoft fans) and the nutjobs, and the people who don't want to, and the people with checkered pasts, and the stupid ones who couldn't pass the training, How many would you be left with? Some of those would probably be country people who don't visit cities, so wouldn't be much good anyhow.

 

Nice idea though.

And we'll never know without trying. It's naive to think suddenly everywhere would have trained combatants ready to defend, but at least some places would. Which is an improvement on what we have now. Where these terrorists strike are hugely dense population centers, thousands of citizens in immediate danger.... All that's needed is a few to be capable and carrying.

could even be paid for by the commercial interests within a given area as a public who fears to go into populated areas like shops and that will not be beneficial to these commercial interests bottom line

Terrorist looking for a cinema to shoot up on a Friday night... walks up to the one on the high street and sees;

 

'CCW permit holders welcome, 10% discount'

 

"We'll give this one a miss Muhammed, we'll try the one on the ring road, alluah akbar!"

 

LOL

[Lenmcharristar 9,800]

 

 

 

 

 

once again the silence from muslims condemming this is deafening ---surprised? nah

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/14/3722277/muslims-condemn-paris-attacks-pope-francis/http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/what-muslims-are-saying-about-the-paris-attacks/

Literally all on the first page of Google, did you even look to see if Muslims had been condemning the attack before making your silly little post?

How about actively working with police and intelligence agencies to share any knowledge of potential extremists or why is there no group in any Islamic communities with the sole job of pacifying

and condemning extremist beliefs and dangers? The main reason is they would be ostracised, intimidated, threatened, bashed, shot,etc. I know of a Muslim doctor here in Oz who openly criticises extremism and he and his kids have experienced all of the above bar being shot but I would not be surprised if that happens soon. As far as I know he is a lone voice in the whole muslim community. Islamic groups verbally condemn these attacks and think that is enough, but I ask where is the real action?

There's plenty of anti extremist activity in the Muslim community, Imams cooperating with the security services, anti-radicalisation charities, groups that give talks in schools etc etc. If you're not seeing it it's obviously because you're not looking for it.

And there obviously not working either.

I'm not debating the effectiveness of the schemes but to come into this thread and say the Muslim community hasn't condemned the attacks and does nothing to combat extremism is ridiculous and demonstrably false.

bgd are you going for corbyns place next election??? From a man from a violent place norn iron through the conflict, you should know more than most how to stop these peoples if the government won't listen or do a thing, wonder what your opinion would be if your family were to get injured or worse still killed by one of their attacks? They're animals running loose and need put back in their curry stained cages and told not to even breathe loud or they will get pts. That's the only way they'll listen, they've had they're freedom and like blacks they revert back to living in mud hut tribes like feral peoples with no regard for anyone else around them

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think the people you listed above would even make 5% of the population though and once you take out the ones who don't want to do it there wouldn't be many left.

Then allow concerned and responsible citizens to be trained and tested to the standard necessary. If 5% of the population were trained militia that would make a he'll of a difference.

On a sensible note, once you take out the kids and o.a.ps from the population, you're probably down to half what it actually is, so you'd be looking for 10% of what's left. Once you'd weeded out the Walter Mitty Rambo wannabes (read airsoft fans) and the nutjobs, and the people who don't want to, and the people with checkered pasts, and the stupid ones who couldn't pass the training, How many would you be left with? Some of those would probably be country people who don't visit cities, so wouldn't be much good anyhow.

 

Nice idea though.

And we'll never know without trying. It's naive to think suddenly everywhere would have trained combatants ready to defend, but at least some places would. Which is an improvement on what we have now. Where these terrorists strike are hugely dense population centers, thousands of citizens in immediate danger.... All that's needed is a few to be capable and carrying.

could even be paid for by the commercial interests within a given area as a public who fears to go into populated areas like shops and that will not be beneficial to these commercial interests bottom line

Terrorist looking for a cinema to shoot up on a Friday night... walks up to the one on the high street and sees;

 

'CCW permit holders welcome, 10% discount'

 

"We'll give this one a miss Muhammed, we'll try the one on the ring road, alluah akbar!"

 

LOL

 

be fine here, there's only one pub and a bomb strike on that would go unnoticed

[walshie 2,804]

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think the people you listed above would even make 5% of the population though and once you take out the ones who don't want to do it there wouldn't be many left.

Then allow concerned and responsible citizens to be trained and tested to the standard necessary. If 5% of the population were trained militia that would make a he'll of a difference.

On a sensible note, once you take out the kids and o.a.ps from the population, you're probably down to half what it actually is, so you'd be looking for 10% of what's left. Once you'd weeded out the Walter Mitty Rambo wannabes (read airsoft fans) and the nutjobs, and the people who don't want to, and the people with checkered pasts, and the stupid ones who couldn't pass the training, How many would you be left with? Some of those would probably be country people who don't visit cities, so wouldn't be much good anyhow.

 

Nice idea though.

And we'll never know without trying. It's naive to think suddenly everywhere would have trained combatants ready to defend, but at least some places would. Which is an improvement on what we have now. Where these terrorists strike are hugely dense population centers, thousands of citizens in immediate danger.... All that's needed is a few to be capable and carrying.

could even be paid for by the commercial interests within a given area as a public who fears to go into populated areas like shops and that will not be beneficial to these commercial interests bottom line

Terrorist looking for a cinema to shoot up on a Friday night... walks up to the one on the high street and sees;

 

'CCW permit holders welcome, 10% discount'

 

"We'll give this one a miss Muhammed, we'll try the one on the ring road, alluah akbar!"

 

LOL

 

 

10% discount? That's different. Count me in.

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

 

 

 

once again the silence from muslims condemming this is deafening ---surprised? nah

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/14/3722277/muslims-condemn-paris-attacks-pope-francis/http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/what-muslims-are-saying-about-the-paris-attacks/

Literally all on the first page of Google, did you even look to see if Muslims had been condemning the attack before making your silly little post?

How about actively working with police and intelligence agencies to share any knowledge of potential extremists or why is there no group in any Islamic communities with the sole job of pacifying

and condemning extremist beliefs and dangers? The main reason is they would be ostracised, intimidated, threatened, bashed, shot,etc. I know of a Muslim doctor here in Oz who openly criticises extremism and he and his kids have experienced all of the above bar being shot but I would not be surprised if that happens soon. As far as I know he is a lone voice in the whole muslim community. Islamic groups verbally condemn these attacks and think that is enough, but I ask where is the real action?

There's plenty of anti extremist activity in the Muslim community, Imams cooperating with the security services, anti-radicalisation charities, groups that give talks in schools etc etc. If you're not seeing it it's obviously because you're not looking for it.

And there obviously not working either.

I'm not debating the effectiveness of the schemes but to come into this thread and say the Muslim community hasn't condemned the attacks and does nothing to combat extremism is ridiculous and demonstrably false.

bgd are you going for corbyns place next election??? From a man from a violent place norn iron through the conflict, you should know more than most how to stop these peoples if the government won't listen or do a thing, wonder what your opinion would be if your family were to get injured or worse still killed by one of their attacks? They're animals running loose and need put back in their curry stained cages and told not to even breathe loud or they will get pts. That's the only way they'll listen, they've had they're freedom and like blacks they revert back to living in mud hut tribes like feral peoples with no regard for anyone else around them

Is that how the peace process happened over there then? Stuck everyone that had been fighting in cages and told them if they even breathe loud they'll be PTS?

 

If we were going to take lessons on how to deal with Islamic extremism from the troubles we'd be getting round the table with Daesh to work out a peace treaty. I don't think that would work too well though...

 

Oh and I'm not from the North

Edited November 15, 2015 by BGD

[paulus 26]

"What to do if you fall into a conversation with someone about ISIS who doesn't believe in retaliation:
1. Engage in conversation, and ask if military force is appropriate.
2. When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"
3. Wait until he says something to the effect of "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence."
4. When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.
5. When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would be awful and he should not cause more violence.
6. Wait until he agrees, and has pledged not to commit additional violence.
7. Punch him in the face again, harder this time.
8. Repeat steps 5 through 7 until he understands that sometimes it is necessary to punch back."

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once again the silence from muslims condemming this is deafening ---surprised? nah

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/14/3722277/muslims-condemn-paris-attacks-pope-francis/http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/http://muslimmatters.org/2015/11/14/what-muslims-are-saying-about-the-paris-attacks/

Literally all on the first page of Google, did you even look to see if Muslims had been condemning the attack before making your silly little post?

How about actively working with police and intelligence agencies to share any knowledge of potential extremists or why is there no group in any Islamic communities with the sole job of pacifying

and condemning extremist beliefs and dangers? The main reason is they would be ostracised, intimidated, threatened, bashed, shot,etc. I know of a Muslim doctor here in Oz who openly criticises extremism and he and his kids have experienced all of the above bar being shot but I would not be surprised if that happens soon. As far as I know he is a lone voice in the whole muslim community. Islamic groups verbally condemn these attacks and think that is enough, but I ask where is the real action?

There's plenty of anti extremist activity in the Muslim community, Imams cooperating with the security services, anti-radicalisation charities, groups that give talks in schools etc etc. If you're not seeing it it's obviously because you're not looking for it.

And there obviously not working either.

I'm not debating the effectiveness of the schemes but to come into this thread and say the Muslim community hasn't condemned the attacks and does nothing to combat extremism is ridiculous and demonstrably false.

bgd are you going for corbyns place next election??? From a man from a violent place norn iron through the conflict, you should know more than most how to stop these peoples if the government won't listen or do a thing, wonder what your opinion would be if your family were to get injured or worse still killed by one of their attacks? They're animals running loose and need put back in their curry stained cages and told not to even breathe loud or they will get pts. That's the only way they'll listen, they've had they're freedom and like blacks they revert back to living in mud hut tribes like feral peoples with no regard for anyone else around them

Is that how the peace process happened over there then? Stuck everyone that had been fighting in cages and told them if they even breathe loud they'll be PTS?

If we were going to take lessons on how to deal with Islamic extremism from the troubles we'd be getting round the table with Daesh to work out a peace treaty. I don't think that would work too well though...

Oh and I'm not from the North

 

 

The smell of Muslim off you