A Positive Story About Guns/gun Ownership

[Lab 10,979]

Bill should just tell Ben to 'flubba dubba off'

[johnny boy68 11,726]

If Bill and Ben still had weed around this would never have happened.LOL

[gnasher16 30,470]

 

 

Again that's my point ... Ben wouldn't just whip a gun out because somebody was ranting and raving at him ... even pushing him ... you would only do that if you were not sound of mind ... I don't know maybe it's because I have been around guns literally all my life that I think the way I do .......

He,s under direct threat.......whats the point in carrying guns if not to protect yourself ?

Because there are different degrees of threat ... A man of your size could make somebody feel threatened by just leaning over them doesn't mean they should shoot you in the face .........

 

When is the appropriate time to pull this gun then ?.........when the person is about to push you infront of a moving lorry......or just after ?

 

Again,im not being smart - alecky i just think its all well and good having this killer mentality but when we really think it through it just doesnt work.

 

 

 

 

Would I panic and hand over all my possessions,

No because you will have been trained to not be scared

LOL, you know as well as I do that training doesn't eliminate fear, it dramatically reduces the probability of that fear controlling your actions though.

 

 

Simple as that then .....forget fight or flight response just take a scores worth of training and bobs your uncle

[gnasher16 30,470]

If Bill and Ben still had weed around this would never have happened.LOL

Never mind that Bill was a nasty b*****d away from the potting shed out for a weekend on the piss !

[Born Hunter 17,813]

 

 

 

 

Would I panic and hand over all my possessions,

 

No because you will have been trained to not be scared

LOL, you know as well as I do that training doesn't eliminate fear, it dramatically reduces the probability of that fear controlling your actions though.

Simple as that then .....forget fight or flight response just take a scores worth of training and bobs your uncle

That's the point in training, so that you are familiar enough with a situation to not be controlled by nature. It's obviously not without failure. Come on you must understand what I'm saying, even sportsman train to conquer the mental pressure of competition to stop their fear/nerves/nature shutting them down.

[gnasher16 30,470]

Too my knowledge in that Bill and Ben scenario any tactician would know, through 'training', to create space to give himself thinking time if the threat does escalate. They'd also know to leave at any possible time rather than engaging that threat. The only time Ben should pull the trigger is if his life is in immediate danger. Bill should never have been given the chance to wallop Ben if Ben acted sensibly.

Whats acting sensibly......running down the road ?.......Bill is a bag snatcher by trade what if he,s a faster runner than Ben ?......the same space Ben has been trained to create Bill has been trained to close......how does he know if his lifes in immediate danger ?

 

Ok then scene 2......Bill has Ben pinned up against the wall.

 

Ben......" Look mate are you carrying a knife "

 

Bill...." Why you asking "

 

Ben " I need to know if i should take out my firearm and unleash deadly force "

 

not quite gonna work is it.

[Ideation 8,216]

 

Yer all teenage children in the U.K should have free access to fire arms. . . . . it will defiantly make society much much much safer. . . . . . .

 

Who said kids should be allowed to run around with guns ??????

 

 

The article is about a 13 year old boy who had access to his mothers gun when she was not there.

 

Unfortunately many many many teenagers are not exactly rationale in their thoughts / behaviours.

[gnasher16 30,470]

 

That's the point in training, so that you are familiar enough with a situation to not be controlled by nature. It's obviously not without failure. Come on you must understand what I'm saying, even sportsman train to conquer the mental pressure of competition to stop their fear/nerves/nature shutting them down.

 

I know enough about sport to know that what happens in training often go,s to shit when its for real .....sparring and fighting,completely different mindsets........but yes it dont hurt to get an idea though you,ll never put in what nature left out in my opinion.

Edited November 12, 2015 by gnasher16

[walshie 2,804]

I'm neither for or against the idea as it won't ever happen here, but here's a little anecdote from about 15 years ago.

 

I was in a a diner in South Carolina and a policeman sat next to me at the counter and we got chatting as we ate breakfast. He asked if it was really true that we couldn't carry handguns in the UK. When I confirmed it, his exact words were "Wow. I couldn't live like that. That means you could get kicked to death on your way home one night. That could never happen to me."

 

Those words for right or wrong stuck in my head.

[Born Hunter 17,813]

 

Too my knowledge in that Bill and Ben scenario any tactician would know, through 'training', to create space to give himself thinking time if the threat does escalate. They'd also know to leave at any possible time rather than engaging that threat. The only time Ben should pull the trigger is if his life is in immediate danger. Bill should never have been given the chance to wallop Ben if Ben acted sensibly.

 

Whats acting sensibly......running down the road ?.......Bill is a bag snatcher by trade what if he,s a faster runner than Ben ?......the same space Ben has been trained to create Bill has been trained to close......how does he know if his lifes in immediate danger ?

 

Ok then scene 2......Bill has Ben pinned up against the wall.

 

Ben......" Look mate are you carrying a knife "

 

Bill...." Why you asking "

 

Ben " I need to know if i should take out my firearm and unleash deadly force "

 

not quite gonna work is it.

First off, I'm not a trained firearms instructor so just spitting out what I have learnt...

 

If I was Ben, pistol drawn, making space, giving clear warning and bill advanced on me I'd shoot him the second he crossed the line at which I was at risk of not being able to remain safe. A man that attacks an armed citizen when he has the clear option of walking away is a very dangerous man.

 

Scenario 2, lol. Ben attacked by surprise and pinned against a wall.... then it's down to Ben to determine how serious the threat is.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

 

 

I carry a knife every day and wouldn't even think of drawing it in an argument ... I just don't see the logic that because somebody carries a gun he will use it in anger ......

I know you live in isolation and dont get to see much of real life but you are a sensible responsible chap......apparently.

 

Im not......and i dont live in seclusion.....so should i carry a knife ?...... its probably safer for all concerned if i dont

Gnash I doubt if you would end up stabbing somebody to death if you happened to have a knife in your pocket and you got into an argument .....

No perhaps just a punctured lung or stab to the thigh would suffice.......cant be as a bad as a smack in the earhole eh.

Mate if your a sound mentally normal guy you wouldn't even contemplate pulling out a knife the same as somebody wouldn't draw a gun .....

 

Socks have you ever lost your rag ?.....ever overeacted?

 

Heres a scenario you tell me......Bill is a big strong guy but a bit of a wanker.......Ben is a little bloke very sensible and responsible.

 

Both walking towards each other in a busy street they accidentally clip shoulders.....Bill being a bit of an arsehole says " watch where your going you daft c**t "......Ben says " excuse me dont talk to me like that ".....and keeps walking.......Bill being the wanker he is wont let it lie and go,s in pursuit and starts shoving Ben.......Ben feeling in immediately danger from a bigger more aggressive man pulls a gun out of his holster.........Bill being a bit slippery says " sorry mate no offence theres no need for that ".......points over the road and says " let me buy you a pint in that pub as an apology "........Ben looking across the road suddenly has the gun wrenched out of his hand with a now totally off his head Bill screaming and shouting waving a gun around creating panic in the streets.

 

A perfectly ordinary everyday scene has now turned into Starsky & Hutch.......yet the gun owner was a " sound mentally normal guy " as you say.

 

 

 

Ben: (with weapon drawn,made ready with the safety off and aimed at Bill) stay back or I'll shoot.

 

Bill: WOW look over there!

 

*Ben looks away while Bill grabs the gun out of his hands*

 

Bill: Haha,another fool falls for my cunning plan.

 

 

 

You don't practice krav maga by any chance do you gnasher?

[Born Hunter 17,813]

 

That's the point in training, so that you are familiar enough with a situation to not be controlled by nature. It's obviously not without failure. Come on you must understand what I'm saying, even sportsman train to conquer the mental pressure of competition to stop their fear/nerves/nature shutting them down.

 

I know enough about sport to know that what happens in training often go,s to shit when its for real .....sparring and fighting,completely different mindsets........but yes it dont hurt to get an idea though you,ll never put in what nature left out in my opinion.

I agree completely, it's not infallible and almost every soldier that has to deal with real combat will tell you the plan always goes to shit but that's when being well drilled in how to make tactical decisions proves life saving. I'm not saying sparring makes you ready for fighting, what I'm saying is that if you are well drilled then when you find yourself in a REAL situation you will have a degree of confidence and familiarity that will decrease the probability of fear of the completely unknown and hesitation crippling you and then your nature taking over. Knowledge and experience through drills gives confidence, it's no replacement for real experience though.

 

Put a complete novice in a hairy situation and watch him get destroyed through stupid decisions or a poor nature crippling him mentally.

Put a well drilled amateur through it and watch him survive and learn.

Put an experienced veteran through the same and watch him dominate.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Born Hunter

[Accip74 7,112]

I'm neither for or against the idea as it won't ever happen here, but here's a little anecdote from about 15 years ago.

 

I was in a a diner in South Carolina and a policeman sat next to me at the counter and we got chatting as we ate breakfast. He asked if it was really true that we couldn't carry handguns in the UK. When I confirmed it, his exact words were "Wow. I couldn't live like that. That means you could get kicked to death on your way home one night. That could never happen to me."

 

Those words for right or wrong stuck in my head.

 

Yeh you just get shot to death instead......haha....

[waltjnr 7,020]

 

I'm neither for or against the idea as it won't ever happen here, but here's a little anecdote from about 15 years ago.

 

I was in a a diner in South Carolina and a policeman sat next to me at the counter and we got chatting as we ate breakfast. He asked if it was really true that we couldn't carry handguns in the UK. When I confirmed it, his exact words were "Wow. I couldn't live like that. That means you could get kicked to death on your way home one night. That could never happen to me."

 

Those words for right or wrong stuck in my head.

Yeh you just get shot to death instead......haha....

 

exactly !! i start robbing houses /business's knowing some one might take a shot at me ,answer i go in kevlar vest and packing some serious firepower ,and dont threaten ,just shoot ! no kid grabbing his mums .38 would stand a chance ,or some airsoft twat ,wanna be warrior!

[waltjnr 7,020]

oh and dont forget ,i threw poisoned meat over your fence earlier ,so any canine threat is dead/dying in its bed ,your asleep and only aware when a figure at the end of your bed is raising a gun to put you permanently to sleep!

This is only what i can assume would happen once crooks knew they would come under fire ,face a death sentance ,it might put a few light weight petty burglars off ,but im sure if youve more than a 50" tv and a few half sovereign rings to nick ,and had serious wealth hard core villians would only up the ante!