socks 32,253 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I carry a knife every day and wouldn't even think of drawing it in an argument ... I just don't see the logic that because somebody carries a gun he will use it in anger ...... I know you live in isolation and dont get to see much of real life but you are a sensible responsible chap......apparently. Im not......and i dont live in seclusion.....so should i carry a knife ?...... its probably safer for all concerned if i dont Gnash I doubt if you would end up stabbing somebody to death if you happened to have a knife in your pocket and you got into an argument ..... No perhaps just a punctured lung or stab to the thigh would suffice.......cant be as a bad as a smack in the earhole eh. Mate if your a sound mentally normal guy you wouldn't even contemplate pulling out a knife the same as somebody wouldn't draw a gun ..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I carry a knife every day and wouldn't even think of drawing it in an argument ... I just don't see the logic that because somebody carries a gun he will use it in anger ...... I know you live in isolation and dont get to see much of real life but you are a sensible responsible chap......apparently. Im not......and i dont live in seclusion.....so should i carry a knife ?...... its probably safer for all concerned if i dont Gnash I doubt if you would end up stabbing somebody to death if you happened to have a knife in your pocket and you got into an argument ..... No perhaps just a punctured lung or stab to the thigh would suffice.......cant be as a bad as a smack in the earhole eh.Mate if your a sound mentally normal guy you wouldn't even contemplate pulling out a knife the same as somebody wouldn't draw a gun ..... I totally agree with allowing guns when someone has been vetted thoroughly..basically what we do now. What I don't agree with you on is just because someone is of sound mind they won't pull a gun out. I'd say lots of people would do it in fear....and this could lead to lots of fatalities. Most cases it wouldn't be a bad thing but some it would be a disaster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I don't know of anyone who would run over a bad driver as they left their car,what's the difference between that and shooting them? If someone is unstable enough that they would consider killing someone who's annoyed them on the road,I don't think they'd be hard to weed out. So what is the reason for arming folk with guns in the first place then ? so that they dont have to run them over or stab them ?.....or just because it works better during the old threat display For cases like in the OP,or defending themselves in almost any other context,if you're in a car you probably don't need to defend yourself,you can just drive away. Also like you say it's a better threat than any other weapon,but imo cs,coshes and maybe tazers again for licensed people would be better than nothing and more realistic for now. Diversity is coming,better to be proactive imo,imagine if South African Boers weren't allowed guns! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,813 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I carry a knife every day and wouldn't even think of drawing it in an argument ... I just don't see the logic that because somebody carries a gun he will use it in anger ......I know you live in isolation and dont get to see much of real life but you are a sensible responsible chap......apparently. Im not......and i dont live in seclusion.....so should i carry a knife ?...... its probably safer for all concerned if i dont Gnash I doubt if you would end up stabbing somebody to death if you happened to have a knife in your pocket and you got into an argument .....No perhaps just a punctured lung or stab to the thigh would suffice.......cant be as a bad as a smack in the earhole eh.Mate if your a sound mentally normal guy you wouldn't even contemplate pulling out a knife the same as somebody wouldn't draw a gun ..... I totally agree with allowing guns when someone has been vetted thoroughly..basically what we do now. What I don't agree with you on is just because someone is of sound mind they won't pull a gun out. I'd say lots of people would do it in fear....and this could lead to lots of fatalities. Most cases it wouldn't be a bad thing but some it would be a disaster. I've touched on this before but why couldn't a compromise be having to pass a tactical weapons handling class or some such which teaches people how to respond to threats? Only on passing would citizens be allowed to concealed carry and so fear doesn't come into it. I would even introduce a more basic version for those only wanting a firearm for defence in the home. ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I carry a knife every day and wouldn't even think of drawing it in an argument ... I just don't see the logic that because somebody carries a gun he will use it in anger ......I know you live in isolation and dont get to see much of real life but you are a sensible responsible chap......apparently. Im not......and i dont live in seclusion.....so should i carry a knife ?...... its probably safer for all concerned if i dont Gnash I doubt if you would end up stabbing somebody to death if you happened to have a knife in your pocket and you got into an argument .....No perhaps just a punctured lung or stab to the thigh would suffice.......cant be as a bad as a smack in the earhole eh.Mate if your a sound mentally normal guy you wouldn't even contemplate pulling out a knife the same as somebody wouldn't draw a gun .....I totally agree with allowing guns when someone has been vetted thoroughly..basically what we do now.What I don't agree with you on is just because someone is of sound mind they won't pull a gun out. I'd say lots of people would do it in fear....and this could lead to lots of fatalities. Most cases it wouldn't be a bad thing but some it would be a disaster. I've touched on this before but why couldn't a compromise be having to pass a tactical weapons handling class or some such which teaches people how to respond to threats? Only on passing would citizens be allowed to concealed carry and so fear doesn't come into it. I would even introduce a more basic version for those only wanting a firearm for defence in the home. ??? Knowing someone is pretending to rob you is a world apart from someone actually robbing you. We all know people folk who say they will 'do this' and 'do that' when it comes to a physical confrontation and then shit it when it happens for real. I genuinely do not know what I would do, let's say if someone broke into my house. Would I panic and hand over all my possessions, would I turn into Bruce Lee and kick there arse or would I sneak into the cupboard, get the gun out and hope the panicked and ran away? Who knows!! Ps....I reckon it's the Bruce Lee option..?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,813 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Knowing someone is pretending to rob you is a world apart from someone actually robbing you. We all know people folk who say they will 'do this' and 'do that' when it comes to a physical confrontation and then shit it when it happens for real. I genuinely do not know what I would do, let's say if someone broke into my house. Would I panic and hand over all my possessions, would I turn into Bruce Lee and kick there arse or would I sneak into the cupboard, get the gun out and hope the panicked and ran away? Who knows!! Ps....I reckon it's the Bruce Lee option.. True but it would dramatically reduce the number of fear shootings. Your training would have drilled into you how to respond to the situation. You don't know how you would respond now because you haven't been taught, every turn is new unfamiliar territory. Training would go a long way to preventing fear based reactions. Ps clearly I'm in the full blown Terminator camp! LOL Edited November 12, 2015 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,470 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I carry a knife every day and wouldn't even think of drawing it in an argument ... I just don't see the logic that because somebody carries a gun he will use it in anger ......I know you live in isolation and dont get to see much of real life but you are a sensible responsible chap......apparently. Im not......and i dont live in seclusion.....so should i carry a knife ?...... its probably safer for all concerned if i dont Gnash I doubt if you would end up stabbing somebody to death if you happened to have a knife in your pocket and you got into an argument ..... No perhaps just a punctured lung or stab to the thigh would suffice.......cant be as a bad as a smack in the earhole eh. Mate if your a sound mentally normal guy you wouldn't even contemplate pulling out a knife the same as somebody wouldn't draw a gun ..... Socks have you ever lost your rag ?.....ever overeacted? Heres a scenario you tell me......Bill is a big strong guy but a bit of a wanker.......Ben is a little bloke very sensible and responsible. Both walking towards each other in a busy street they accidentally clip shoulders.....Bill being a bit of an arsehole says " watch where your going you daft c**t "......Ben says " excuse me dont talk to me like that ".....and keeps walking.......Bill being the wanker he is wont let it lie and go,s in pursuit and starts shoving Ben.......Ben feeling in immediately danger from a bigger more aggressive man pulls a gun out of his holster.........Bill being a bit slippery says " sorry mate no offence theres no need for that ".......points over the road and says " let me buy you a pint in that pub as an apology "........Ben looking across the road suddenly has the gun wrenched out of his hand with a now totally off his head Bill screaming and shouting waving a gun around creating panic in the streets. A perfectly ordinary everyday scene has now turned into Starsky & Hutch.......yet the gun owner was a " sound mentally normal guy " as you say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Again that's my point ... Ben wouldn't just whip a gun out because somebody was ranting and raving at him ... even pushing him ... you would only do that if you were not sound of mind ... I don't know maybe it's because I have been around guns literally all my life that I think the way I do ....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,470 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Would I panic and hand over all my possessions, No because you will have been trained to not be scared Edited November 12, 2015 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,470 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Again that's my point ... Ben wouldn't just whip a gun out because somebody was ranting and raving at him ... even pushing him ... you would only do that if you were not sound of mind ... I don't know maybe it's because I have been around guns literally all my life that I think the way I do ....... He,s under direct threat.......whats the point in carrying guns if not to protect yourself ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 A bit frightening to think that people actually think about arming themselves.....do we live in that type of society yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Again that's my point ... Ben wouldn't just whip a gun out because somebody was ranting and raving at him ... even pushing him ... you would only do that if you were not sound of mind ... I don't know maybe it's because I have been around guns literally all my life that I think the way I do ....... He,s under direct threat.......whats the point in carrying guns if not to protect yourself ? Because there are different degrees of threat ... A man of your size could make somebody feel threatened by just leaning over them doesn't mean they should shoot you in the face ......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Anyway talking of guns that's me off out with one of mine to put an end to a load of rats ... And I do mean the small furry type ones ........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,813 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Would I panic and hand over all my possessions, No because you will have been trained to not be scared LOL, you know as well as I do that training doesn't eliminate fear, it dramatically reduces the probability of that fear controlling your actions though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,813 Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Too my knowledge in that Bill and Ben scenario any tactician would know, through 'training', to create space to give himself thinking time if the threat does escalate. They'd also know to leave at any possible time rather than engaging that threat. The only time Ben should pull the trigger is if his life is in immediate danger. Bill should never have been given the chance to wallop Ben if Ben acted sensibly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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