Ex Soldier Arrested

[nans pat 2,575]

 

dont hear anyone speaking up for the 25 or 30 kids 15 an 16 year old all shot in the back doing a bit joyriding

25 or 30? I'm only aware of the 1 incident involving joy riders.... To be fair the whole thing was unnecessarily drawn out and prolonged by the cowardice of the British government. Their determination to seek a political solution resulted in the ham stringing of the Army. The whole affair could have been dealt with in s few nights work had the gloves come off properly.

 

The American influence on this decision cannot be over stated.

 

It is also a lesson in counter insurgency, and the necessity of a political solution if wholesale genocide/ethnic cleansing is to be avoided. There will come a time when both the Taliban and ISIS (in some form) will be brought back into the fold and form parts of governments in their respective countries.

 

 

The continual pursuit of British soldier through the legal system, whilst granting a free pass to all manner of paramilitary murderers is disgusting.

 

and in a ruling in the agreement all murders pre 98 only serve 2yrs ,but dont apply from 69.till.73 because of diplock courts being brought in.so if convicted he doesnt benifit from the deal..he does life.

[WILF 48,526]

Ok, enough is enough......let's have it right, the IRA spent 35 years ruthlessly slaughtering women, children, ordinary men just going to work......forget the so called legitimate targets.

 

These were People from all corners of the land including their own.

 

Jonathan Ball age 3......what did that little tot know about shit that happened 200 years ago ?

 

Tim Parry age 12........what did that young lad have to do with pre 1916 ?

 

What did those Irishmen going for a day's work to feed their family care about the terrible way the British government behaved in the famine ?

 

The young women who were shot by the various paramilitary groups for simply having a boyfriend from the opposite side of the devise ?

 

I mean Jesus Christ ?........what the f**k?

 

It's about time a few grown men dried their f***ing eyes and stopped feeling sorry for themselves over shit that started 300 f***ing years ago.

Dieing is a piece of piss, it's living that's hard and it's about time more than a few grew a set and got on with it !

[Francie 6,368]

 

The same paras, blew away over ten innocent people in ballymurphy, it was there form, an God knows how many they colluded in with loyalists paramilitaries.

yes but Francie, the ira were in collusion with the Garda too and they killed more of they're own than any other group, what about the justice for them victims too? See where does it end?

Your missing my whole point mate, the army is the states, a legal army, trained to kill, an they killed innocent, I know what your saying, but the army is the trained legal army, not the ira or lvf or uvf, can you not see my point, everyone should get justice.

[Lenmcharristar 10,036]

 

 

The same paras, blew away over ten innocent people in ballymurphy, it was there form, an God knows how many they colluded in with loyalists paramilitaries.

yes but Francie, the ira were in collusion with the Garda too and they killed more of they're own than any other group, what about the justice for them victims too? See where does it end?

Your missing my whole point mate, the army is the states, a legal army, trained to kill, an they killed innocent, I know what your saying, but the army is the trained legal army, not the ira or lvf or uvf, can you not see my point, everyone should get justice.

I do mate, and the innocent victims should not be forgotten, but wasting hundreds of millions on dragging up cases from the past could be spent on integrated schools, the nhs , jobs for the natives etc etc

[unlacedgecko 1,467]

 

 

dont hear anyone speaking up for the 25 or 30 kids 15 an 16 year old all shot in the back doing a bit joyriding

 

25 or 30? I'm only aware of the 1 incident involving joy riders.... To be fair the whole thing was unnecessarily drawn out and prolonged by the cowardice of the British government. Their determination to seek a political solution resulted in the ham stringing of the Army. The whole affair could have been dealt with in s few nights work had the gloves come off properly.

The American influence on this decision cannot be over stated.

It is also a lesson in counter insurgency, and the necessity of a political solution if wholesale genocide/ethnic cleansing is to be avoided. There will come a time when both the Taliban and ISIS (in some form) will be brought back into the fold and form parts of governments in their respective countries.

The continual pursuit of British soldier through the legal system, whilst granting a free pass to all manner of paramilitary murderers is disgusting.

i could give you whole list if your interested,the one you prob are aware of was a young girl an her boyfriend an his mate on the glen rd that 3 people for start

Who shot them?

[Francie 6,368]

Ok, enough is enough......let's have it right, the IRA spent 35 years ruthlessly slaughtering women, children, ordinary men just going to work......forget the so called legitimate targets.

 

These were People from all corners of the land including their own.

 

Jonathan Ball age 3......what did that little tot know about shit that happened 200 years ago ?

 

Tim Parry age 12........what did that young lad have to do with pre 1916 ?

 

What did those Irishmen going for a day's work to feed their family care about the terrible way the British government behaved in the famine ?

 

The young women who were shot by the various paramilitary groups for simply having a boyfriend from the opposite side of the devise ?

 

I mean Jesus Christ ?........what the f**k?

 

It's about time a few grown men dried their f***ing eyes and stopped feeling sorry for themselves over shit that started 300 f***ing years ago.

Dieing is a piece of piss, it's living that's hard and it's about time more than a few grew a set and got on with it !

Wilf mate you clearly don't understand the situation, nothing has changed, the cops are still scum, there bias, its raw,

 

You see mussies coming to Britain doing what there doing, an alot on this site are venting there anger, well the Brits came here, invaded, slaughtered, raped, an butchered for hundreds of years, what the feck do you expect the Irishman to do, lye down an take it, that's what this is all about, the queen gave back lots of country's they took by force, why didn't we get our wee country back,.

 

No matter how much anyone says, Ireland is Ireland, not British, nor UK.

[nans pat 2,575]

Ok, enough is enough......let's have it right, the IRA spent 35 years ruthlessly slaughtering women, children, ordinary men just going to work......forget the so called legitimate targets.

 

These were People from all corners of the land including their own.

 

Jonathan Ball age 3......what did that little tot know about shit that happened 200 years ago ?

 

Tim Parry age 12........what did that young lad have to do with pre 1916 ?

 

What did those Irishmen going for a day's work to feed their family care about the terrible way the British government behaved in the famine ?

 

The young women who were shot by the various paramilitary groups for simply having a boyfriend from the opposite side of the devise ?

 

I mean Jesus Christ ?........what the f**k?

 

It's about time a few grown men dried their f***ing eyes and stopped feeling sorry for themselves over shit that started 300 f***ing years ago.

Dieing is a piece of piss, it's living that's hard and it's about time more than a few grew a set and got on with it !

35 yrs is fxxk all wilf ..sometime killings the only way,read the history of the black n tans in the county yer living in now,..my fight for irish freedom.by dan breen..on another mans wounds..tom barry,2 of mick collins main triggermen,

[Francie 6,368]

 

 

 

The same paras, blew away over ten innocent people in ballymurphy, it was there form, an God knows how many they colluded in with loyalists paramilitaries.

yes but Francie, the ira were in collusion with the Garda too and they killed more of they're own than any other group, what about the justice for them victims too? See where does it end?

Your missing my whole point mate, the army is the states, a legal army, trained to kill, an they killed innocent, I know what your saying, but the army is the trained legal army, not the ira or lvf or uvf, can you not see my point, everyone should get justice.

I do mate, and the innocent victims should not be forgotten, but wasting hundreds of millions on dragging up cases from the past could be spent on integrated schools, the nhs , jobs for the natives etc etc

I agree but, people want justice, if it was your family member, what would you do?

 

I blame the gov, an the politicians, for bullshitting protestants here, an inciting them against there fellow Irishman.

 

Here's an example mate, you were born in Ireland, or the north of Ireland.

 

Are you Irish or British?

[Lenmcharristar 10,036]

 

 

 

 

The same paras, blew away over ten innocent people in ballymurphy, it was there form, an God knows how many they colluded in with loyalists paramilitaries.

yes but Francie, the ira were in collusion with the Garda too and they killed more of they're own than any other group, what about the justice for them victims too? See where does it end?

Your missing my whole point mate, the army is the states, a legal army, trained to kill, an they killed innocent, I know what your saying, but the army is the trained legal army, not the ira or lvf or uvf, can you not see my point, everyone should get justice.

I do mate, and the innocent victims should not be forgotten, but wasting hundreds of millions on dragging up cases from the past could be spent on integrated schools, the nhs , jobs for the natives etc etc

I agree but, people want justice, if it was your family member, what would you do?

I blame the gov, an the politicians, for bullshitting protestants here, an inciting them against there fellow Irishman.

Here's an example mate, you were born in Ireland, or the north of Ireland.

Are you Irish or British?

i know mate, . I'm a northern Irish man British, but have no problem with fellow Irish men

[WILF 48,526]

Francie, it's like saying we should be blowing up people is Paris because of the Norman conquest......it's f***ing ludicrous mate !

Sorry, but it is.

 

When does it stop ?......ireland is still ireland, we are all traditionally white Christians......we are all the same people !!

 

To compare it to A load of pakis who we have nothing in common with is nonsense pal.

 

You are a religious man, it has to stop......just lay it down and keep walking.

That's what the Lord says......you know it.

It makes sense, otherwise kids will be dieing well into the future for a few men's bitterness !

[unlacedgecko 1,467]

 

 

 

 

dont hear anyone speaking up for the 25 or 30 kids 15 an 16 year old all shot in the back doing a bit joyriding

 

25 or 30? I'm only aware of the 1 incident involving joy riders.... To be fair the whole thing was unnecessarily drawn out and prolonged by the cowardice of the British government. Their determination to seek a political solution resulted in the ham stringing of the Army. The whole affair could have been dealt with in s few nights work had the gloves come off properly.

The American influence on this decision cannot be over stated.

It is also a lesson in counter insurgency, and the necessity of a political solution if wholesale genocide/ethnic cleansing is to be avoided. There will come a time when both the Taliban and ISIS (in some form) will be brought back into the fold and form parts of governments in their respective countries.

The continual pursuit of British soldier through the legal system, whilst granting a free pass to all manner of paramilitary murderers is disgusting.

i could give you whole list if your interested,the one you prob are aware of was a young girl an her boyfriend an his mate on the glen rd that 3 people for start

Who shot them?

if you mean that case that was the army 2 soldiers open up on the car one from behind an one from drivers side

I'm aware of Lee Clegg, it's part of Para Reg regimental lore. But I'm not aware of any other cases of British soldiers shooting joyriders.

[WILF 48,526]

 

Ok, enough is enough......let's have it right, the IRA spent 35 years ruthlessly slaughtering women, children, ordinary men just going to work......forget the so called legitimate targets.

These were People from all corners of the land including their own.

Jonathan Ball age 3......what did that little tot know about shit that happened 200 years ago ?

Tim Parry age 12........what did that young lad have to do with pre 1916 ?

What did those Irishmen going for a day's work to feed their family care about the terrible way the British government behaved in the famine ?

The young women who were shot by the various paramilitary groups for simply having a boyfriend from the opposite side of the devise ?

I mean Jesus Christ ?........what the f**k?

It's about time a few grown men dried their f***ing eyes and stopped feeling sorry for themselves over shit that started 300 f***ing years ago.

Dieing is a piece of piss, it's living that's hard and it's about time more than a few grew a set and got on with it !

 

35 yrs is fxxk all wilf ..sometime killings the only way,read the history of the black n tans in the county yer living in now,..my fight for irish freedom.by dan breen..on another mans wounds..tom barry,2 of mick collins main triggermen,

I have been studying the history mate, I know savage stuff happened but it's comes down to this, when does it end......for the young generation mate, not for old men, for the kids ?

[Francie 6,368]

 

 

 

 

 

The same paras, blew away over ten innocent people in ballymurphy, it was there form, an God knows how many they colluded in with loyalists paramilitaries.

yes but Francie, the ira were in collusion with the Garda too and they killed more of they're own than any other group, what about the justice for them victims too? See where does it end?

Your missing my whole point mate, the army is the states, a legal army, trained to kill, an they killed innocent, I know what your saying, but the army is the trained legal army, not the ira or lvf or uvf, can you not see my point, everyone should get justice.

I do mate, and the innocent victims should not be forgotten, but wasting hundreds of millions on dragging up cases from the past could be spent on integrated schools, the nhs , jobs for the natives etc etc

I agree but, people want justice, if it was your family member, what would you do?

I blame the gov, an the politicians, for bullshitting protestants here, an inciting them against there fellow Irishman.

Here's an example mate, you were born in Ireland, or the north of Ireland.

Are you Irish or British?

i know mate, . I'm a northern Irish man British, but have no problem with fellow Irish men

So you see my point Len, you say your British but your born in Ireland, that's not correct, but I see what your sayiny.

[Lenmcharristar 10,036]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The same paras, blew away over ten innocent people in ballymurphy, it was there form, an God knows how many they colluded in with loyalists paramilitaries.

yes but Francie, the ira were in collusion with the Garda too and they killed more of they're own than any other group, what about the justice for them victims too? See where does it end?

Your missing my whole point mate, the army is the states, a legal army, trained to kill, an they killed innocent, I know what your saying, but the army is the trained legal army, not the ira or lvf or uvf, can you not see my point, everyone should get justice.

I do mate, and the innocent victims should not be forgotten, but wasting hundreds of millions on dragging up cases from the past could be spent on integrated schools, the nhs , jobs for the natives etc etc

I agree but, people want justice, if it was your family member, what would you do?

I blame the gov, an the politicians, for bullshitting protestants here, an inciting them against there fellow Irishman.

Here's an example mate, you were born in Ireland, or the north of Ireland.

Are you Irish or British?

i know mate, . I'm a northern Irish man British, but have no problem with fellow Irish men

So you see my point Len, you say your British but your born in Ireland, that's not correct, but I see what your sayiny.

i was born in Northern Ireland , there's a border that's been there from 1922 and we have our own flag, football team and place in the commonwealth, America and Canada are the sane land mass but different countries,

[riohog 5,885]

just on a slightly different tack ... i wonder if the families of the thousands of men women and children that died /were killed in europe and the far east in ww2 want justice aswell? i susspect they have no great love for the japs and germans , but it was 70 odd yrs ago wat is done is done you have to put it to bed and move on otberwise the hate will eat you away