Anyone Know Much About Bullmastiffs?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

 

I was talking about the rules/culture rather than the dogs.......ive had it explained to me it would be like a big wwf wrestler taking on Muhammad Ali......its either a fight or its entertainment ?

 

oops BGD beat me to it !

A dogman over there told me that behind closed doors they roll them harder than their traditional rules, he owns both Tosa's and Pitbulls. Go look up Grand Champion Thunder, a serious Bulldog indeed.

[DogFox123 1,379]

If I'm not mistaken isn't the Bullmastiff supposedly a cross between the Bulldog and the Mastiff? Basically the original Bandog?

[gnasher16 30,592]

 

 

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

I was talking about the rules/culture rather than the dogs.......ive had it explained to me it would be like a big wwf wrestler taking on Muhammad Ali......its either a fight or its entertainment ?

 

oops BGD beat me to it !

A dogman over there told me that behind closed doors they roll them harder than their traditional rules, he owns both Tosa's and Pitbulls. Go look up Grand Champion Thunder, a serious Bulldog indeed.

 

Whats the point rolling a Tosa it can never be matched under Cajun rules as they are not game......all just seems a bit silly to me.

[BGD 6,437]

Matching any other breed into a bulldog is just cruel IMO, like putting the local lad that likes a scrap on a Saturday night in the ring with a pro boxer. Wrong on so many levels and that's before you get into the weight differnces

[gnasher16 30,592]

 

 

 

I like tha anaolgy certainly describes the less well thought out bandog programmes.

 

Personally I think a good dog has it's place as part of a security system though my thoughts on the subject changed a bit a few years back when I lost one of my best bulldogs to a kennel accident with my two bandogs, I'll never use dogs to guard dogs again but I still wouldn't be without a real "manstopper" about the house.

Different strokes and all that

 

I dont mean any rudeness mate im just curious....do you have kids ? or would you let a dog like that interact around kids ?.......i looked over that website you posted it all just seems slightly hypocritical to me he explains about taking the best fighting traits out of the Apbt and the best guarding traits out of the Mastiff.......and doing neither !.......i can see the use for catchwork on boars and suchlike but as a family guardian as he calls it .......sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

 

I was talking about the rules/culture rather than the dogs.......ive had it explained to me it would be like a big wwf wrestler taking on Muhammad Ali......its either a fight or its entertainment ?

 

oops BGD beat me to it !

A dogman over there told me that behind closed doors they roll them harder than their traditional rules, he owns both Tosa's and Pitbulls. Go look up Grand Champion Thunder, a serious Bulldog indeed.

Whats the point rolling a Tosa it can never be matched under Cajun rules as they are not game......all just seems a bit silly to me.

Obviously for breeding purposes, don't forget even some Bulldogs have been bred over the years without their gameness being tested in a match. I've seen a Tosa against a Bulldog in Europe using Cajun rules and it was scratching back, what's is game anyway? I'm in the belief that there's different degrees of gameness, some disagree with me but IMO there's a big difference between a dog that stands the line after a 2 hour bout and a dog that is a rank cur.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Matching any other breed into a bulldog is just cruel IMO, like putting the local lad that likes a scrap on a Saturday night in the ring with a pro boxer. Wrong on so many levels and that's before you get into the weight differnces

Yes I agree, the Pitbull and the Tosa are the only true fighting breeds IMO although some of the LGD breeds are impressive animals despite their massive size, what do you think of the Bully Kutta?

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

 

 

I like tha anaolgy certainly describes the less well thought out bandog programmes.

 

Personally I think a good dog has it's place as part of a security system though my thoughts on the subject changed a bit a few years back when I lost one of my best bulldogs to a kennel accident with my two bandogs, I'll never use dogs to guard dogs again but I still wouldn't be without a real "manstopper" about the house.

Different strokes and all that

 

I dont mean any rudeness mate im just curious....do you have kids ? or would you let a dog like that interact around kids ?.......i looked over that website you posted it all just seems slightly hypocritical to me he explains about taking the best fighting traits out of the Apbt and the best guarding traits out of the Mastiff.......and doing neither !.......i can see the use for catchwork on boars and suchlike but as a family guardian as he calls it .......sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

 

 

Haven't got kids myself but have plenty of neices and nephews round all the time and when I had bandogs some I'd be happy to have in the house when kids were around and others would definitely be locked away, not because they were unpredictable or nasty but just they were so switched on I wouldn't trust them not to misinterpret some harmless action by the kids. Diesel (the one in pic I posted) was probably the best bandog I've ever had around kids but I still had to keep a fecking close eye on him around them, when the boys got to play fighting he'd have to be locked away or he'd want to get invovled.

Raise them with kids though and they'd probably be better than mine, no different to any other large guardian breed in that regard.

[gnasher16 30,592]

 

 

 

 

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

I was talking about the rules/culture rather than the dogs.......ive had it explained to me it would be like a big wwf wrestler taking on Muhammad Ali......its either a fight or its entertainment ?

 

oops BGD beat me to it !

A dogman over there told me that behind closed doors they roll them harder than their traditional rules, he owns both Tosa's and Pitbulls. Go look up Grand Champion Thunder, a serious Bulldog indeed.

Whats the point rolling a Tosa it can never be matched under Cajun rules as they are not game......all just seems a bit silly to me.

Obviously for breeding purposes, don't forget even some Bulldogs have been bred over the years without their gameness being tested in a match. I've seen a Tosa against a Bulldog in Europe using Cajun rules and it was scratching back, what's is game anyway? I'm in the belief that there's different degrees of gameness, some disagree with me but IMO there's a big difference between a dog that stands the line after a 2 hour bout and a dog that is a rank cur.

 

I couldnt agree more....but what is the point in rolling/testing a Tosa when it doesnt require gameness by the rules of the sport it competes in ?

[keepdiggin 9,567]

A good American Bulldog should be a good guardian and be able to do an honest days work in the field.

[keepdiggin 9,567]

If I'm not mistaken isn't the Bullmastiff supposedly a cross between the Bulldog and the Mastiff? Basically the original Bandog?

60% mastiff 40% bulldog I think I read somewhere

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

I like tha anaolgy certainly describes the less well thought out bandog programmes.

 

Personally I think a good dog has it's place as part of a security system though my thoughts on the subject changed a bit a few years back when I lost one of my best bulldogs to a kennel accident with my two bandogs, I'll never use dogs to guard dogs again but I still wouldn't be without a real "manstopper" about the house.

Different strokes and all that

 

I dont mean any rudeness mate im just curious....do you have kids ? or would you let a dog like that interact around kids ?.......i looked over that website you posted it all just seems slightly hypocritical to me he explains about taking the best fighting traits out of the Apbt and the best guarding traits out of the Mastiff.......and doing neither !.......i can see the use for catchwork on boars and suchlike but as a family guardian as he calls it .......sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

Haven't got kids myself but have plenty of neices and nephews round all the time and when I had bandogs some I'd be happy to have in the house when kids were around and others would definitely be locked away, not because they were unpredictable or nasty but just they were so switched on I wouldn't trust them not to misinterpret some harmless action by the kids. Diesel (the one in pic I posted) was probably the best bandog I've ever had around kids but I still had to keep a fecking close eye on him around them, when the boys got to play fighting he'd have to be locked away or he'd want to get invovled.

Raise them with kids though and they'd probably be better than mine, no different to any other large guardian breed in that regard.

My brother had an American Bulldog and even though he was nice natured most of the time I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it. Can remember I decided to take him a walk with my girlfriends young lad who was around 9 at the time, the dog appeared fine. The lad got in the back on a child seat and I let the dog into the boot, the dog flipped out and went crazy growling like mad over his head. Luckily I was there and gave the dog a crack, it was completely out of the blue as it was fine outside with the lad.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

 

I was talking about the rules/culture rather than the dogs.......ive had it explained to me it would be like a big wwf wrestler taking on Muhammad Ali......its either a fight or its entertainment ?

 

oops BGD beat me to it !

A dogman over there told me that behind closed doors they roll them harder than their traditional rules, he owns both Tosa's and Pitbulls. Go look up Grand Champion Thunder, a serious Bulldog indeed.

Whats the point rolling a Tosa it can never be matched under Cajun rules as they are not game......all just seems a bit silly to me.

Obviously for breeding purposes, don't forget even some Bulldogs have been bred over the years without their gameness being tested in a match. I've seen a Tosa against a Bulldog in Europe using Cajun rules and it was scratching back, what's is game anyway? I'm in the belief that there's different degrees of gameness, some disagree with me but IMO there's a big difference between a dog that stands the line after a 2 hour bout and a dog that is a rank cur.

I couldnt agree more....but what is the point in rolling/testing a Tosa when it doesnt require gameness by the rules of the sport it competes in ?

It's a bit like buying a watch that can go to a water depth of 100 metres, chances are you'll only ever lay in the bath with it but it's nice to know what it can do hahaha.

[gnasher16 30,592]

 

 

 

 

 

I like tha anaolgy certainly describes the less well thought out bandog programmes.

 

Personally I think a good dog has it's place as part of a security system though my thoughts on the subject changed a bit a few years back when I lost one of my best bulldogs to a kennel accident with my two bandogs, I'll never use dogs to guard dogs again but I still wouldn't be without a real "manstopper" about the house.

Different strokes and all that

 

I dont mean any rudeness mate im just curious....do you have kids ? or would you let a dog like that interact around kids ?.......i looked over that website you posted it all just seems slightly hypocritical to me he explains about taking the best fighting traits out of the Apbt and the best guarding traits out of the Mastiff.......and doing neither !.......i can see the use for catchwork on boars and suchlike but as a family guardian as he calls it .......sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

 

 

Haven't got kids myself but have plenty of neices and nephews round all the time and when I had bandogs some I'd be happy to have in the house when kids were around and others would definitely be locked away, not because they were unpredictable or nasty but just they were so switched on I wouldn't trust them not to misinterpret some harmless action by the kids. Diesel (the one in pic I posted) was probably the best bandog I've ever had around kids but I still had to keep a fecking close eye on him around them, when the boys got to play fighting he'd have to be locked away or he'd want to get invovled.

Raise them with kids though and they'd probably be better than mine, no different to any other large guardian breed in that regard.

 

Fair enough.....think id be a nervous wreck with kids around dogs like that .....interesting stuff thanks for the natter

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like tha anaolgy certainly describes the less well thought out bandog programmes.

 

Personally I think a good dog has it's place as part of a security system though my thoughts on the subject changed a bit a few years back when I lost one of my best bulldogs to a kennel accident with my two bandogs, I'll never use dogs to guard dogs again but I still wouldn't be without a real "manstopper" about the house.

Different strokes and all that

 

I dont mean any rudeness mate im just curious....do you have kids ? or would you let a dog like that interact around kids ?.......i looked over that website you posted it all just seems slightly hypocritical to me he explains about taking the best fighting traits out of the Apbt and the best guarding traits out of the Mastiff.......and doing neither !.......i can see the use for catchwork on boars and suchlike but as a family guardian as he calls it .......sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

 

 

Haven't got kids myself but have plenty of neices and nephews round all the time and when I had bandogs some I'd be happy to have in the house when kids were around and others would definitely be locked away, not because they were unpredictable or nasty but just they were so switched on I wouldn't trust them not to misinterpret some harmless action by the kids. Diesel (the one in pic I posted) was probably the best bandog I've ever had around kids but I still had to keep a fecking close eye on him around them, when the boys got to play fighting he'd have to be locked away or he'd want to get invovled.

Raise them with kids though and they'd probably be better than mine, no different to any other large guardian breed in that regard.

 

Fair enough.....think id be a nervous wreck with kids around dogs like that .....interesting stuff thanks for the natter

 

 

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