so which rabbits are easiest?

[daz1976 8]

was wondering which are meant to be easist as im training my dog i have took her out day and night but not let her run any yet she is keen but i am holding her back untill she matures abit more,was just wondering which to start her on

[lawrence 657]

was wondering which are meant to be easist as im training my dog i have took her out day and night but not let her run any yet she is keen but i am holding her back untill she matures abit more,was just wondering which to start her on

 

 

far easier on the lamp or bolted by ferret during day. catching rabbits unaided during the day is never easy, in my experience anyway.

[lurcherchavvy 3]

lamping-get yourself a couple of squatters

[Ray Mears 272]

whatever you run on the night will be even harder in the day in my opinion, but i enjoy lamping more then anything else i dont think you can beat it you see more rabbits therefore more runs making it more sport cleaver aint i..

[beddiwhuppet 10]

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[Guest john2007oliver]

Me and my mutt just cant come to terms with lamping. Shes perhaps has had 10 lamped rabbits 60 mooching about in the day and 20 ferreted. Just ruff guesses. We are just struggling to come to terms with lamping. Everyone says its so easy, but its more my fault than the dogs i reckon. I guess practice will make perfect , ey. If you can, get out with people who know what they are doing, it will make life so much easier for you.

[johnnyboy28 1]

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Exactly mate

Its the best way to get them started

[Guest hunter1983]

i always start my dogs in daytime and let them be confident in that before i start them on the lamp

?????? [bANNED TEXT] ARE YOU ON ABOUT. ONCE YOU START A DOG OFF FROM YOUNG WORKING IN THE DAY ITS SENSES HOME IN ON THIS, ITS THEN ALOT HARDER TO GET THEM WORKING THE LAMP AND COMMING BACK AFTER A MISSED SLIP BECAUSE THEY START SENTING UP. PLUS DAYTIME RABBITS ARE IN MY OPPINION HARDER FOR A YOUNG DOG, GO OUT ON A WINDY NIGHT AND KNOCK UP SOME SITTERS THATS WHAT ID DO EVERY TIME I INTRODUCE A YOUNG DOG TO QUARRY IF YOU MAKE THINGS TO DIFFICULT YOUR YOU CAN MESS THE DOG UP MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY. ALWAYS START ON THE LAMP EASY RABBITS, THEN AFTER ITS CLICKED ON THIS FOR A FOR A WHILE YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT IN THE DAY ANYTIME MATE.

[daz1976 8]

cheers for all the replys i will carry on taking her on the lamp and letting her have a look will eventually let her have a run

cheers daz

[MikeTheDog 153]

Day time myxi' rabbits ...If I can catch the feckers then any dog will.. Imo it takes confidence for a dog to give its best in the dark.

[snoopdog 1,256]

ALWAYS AND I STATE AGAIN ALWAYS start a young dog in the day ....theres severl reason, but the main one is when its chasing bunnies at night the young dog will stop a fences hedges and other obsticials ,.....you dont want this ...imo ....because then they start doing it through the daytime ....nothing worse than a dog wont follow its quarry into hedges or cover or over a gate fence .ect ect .what ever ......when the young dog has caught through the day and followed it quarry over a fence into a hedge then you can start it lamping ....they will soon learn how far to go at night after a while ...but will still follow there quarry anywhere in the day time .......to get it started like some folk have mentioned find either mixyed bunnies or do as i do.. and thats plenty of droppers ....aleast a 2 or 3 a week for a few weeks ....this will build its confidance up no end ......and lesson your chances of having a yapper in your kennel. aswell ...which is another nightmare of mine .......thats my reason i start them daytime .....and this is the way i do it ..not everybody does it the same but it works for me up to now .... .............all the best snoop

[Guest SJM]

Hunter1983 what a load of pish do you think a dog cant tell the difference between when its going lamping, and when its out during the day? If you spend a bit of time training your pup to have a good unquestionable recall, then if it misses its rabbit at night, it should come back to you, a low whistle should be all you need if youve put the ground work in. Once the dog has been out a few times on the lamp and the penny has dropped, it soon learns to run the rabbits and if it misses them, it will come back to you. A sensible owner will try their best to make sure a young, inexperienced dog catches more than it misses, by picking and choosing the rabbits. Put it this way, if you spot a rabbit you dont think your pup can catch and you put the light off and walk on past it to look for another, chances are that rabbit will stay put til your past, then carry on feeding and you can lamp it again another night. Run the rabbit and miss it and it will be lamp shy the next time you meet. Its not rocket science really is it?

 

Snoops is right, pups need to get confidence jumping obstacles in the daylight and they arent going to learn to hunt if the only thing they are ever used for is lamping, so its best to take them out and educate them during the daytime. Some dogs arent hunters, and no matter what you do they will never be interested in putting their noses to the ground, especially the very sighthoundy lurchers, but the way I see it is a dog that can hunt up, can always be put on a slip for lamping or daytime coursing, whereas a "point and slip" dog thats never been given the chance to learn to hunt, well you cant tell it to go off and hunt and expect it to know what to do if its never learned can you?

 

My collie crosses know exactly what were doing from years of experience. My old dog whines if I cock the air rifle in the house, he knows Im going to shoot a bunny from the window and he will get to retreive it (im lucky enough to have rabbits within 20/30 feet of my house, I can shoot them from my bedroom if I cant sleep at night ) and if I go for a walk in the afternoons with my rucksack on, Ollie knows to jump a certain part of the fence which we always use for a short cut when were going up the hill, and yet I take this same walk every day with her in the mornings and she never goes to jump the fence - because she knows the bag is not on my back!!! Therefore we are just going for a walk and not out hunting. She also walks beside me off the lead when were on the path and if a rabbit gets up she will look at me and she wont chase it unless I say its OK (which I dont because its right beside a busy road) but if were out on the hill, she is never at my side, she goes off and she hunts constantly from the minute she gets on there to the minute she comes off. Dogs that are used REGULARLY for HARD WORK learn the difference between different activities and they change their behaviour accordingly. I dont ferret very often I havent done any for months and I dont keep ferrets so as a result my dogs rarely mark inhabited warrens for more than a few seconds before moving on. Take a ferret box and a bag or spade and they will mark the warren and lie down beside it. Now I am no Johnny Morris and I dont sit the dogs down and have a wee talk with them and tell them "were ferreting today so I would like you to give marking your whole attention please and show me where the rabbits are" they just KNOW

 

Same with lamping, my dogs which hunt up like demons during daylight, never put their noses down once as they know lamping is a different ball game. They have learned this through constant work, being out day in day out and learning to adapt to the different tasks they are required to do. Admittedly they are border collie crosses, which are reknowned for never having to be shown something twice but other lurcher crosses can pick things up too, perhaps just takes a wee bit longer.

 

Some of the stuff people come out with on these forums makes me wonder if they actually do much hunting at all or if they just sit and talk shit all day and do their dog work in their sleep

[nrat 8]

Hunter1983 what a load of pish do you think a dog cant tell the difference between when its going lamping, and when its out during the day? If you spend a bit of time training your pup to have a good unquestionable recall, then if it misses its rabbit at night, it should come back to you, a low whistle should be all you need if youve put the ground work in. Once the dog has been out a few times on the lamp and the penny has dropped, it soon learns to run the rabbits and if it misses them, it will come back to you. A sensible owner will try their best to make sure a young, inexperienced dog catches more than it misses, by picking and choosing the rabbits. Put it this way, if you spot a rabbit you dont think your pup can catch and you put the light off and walk on past it to look for another, chances are that rabbit will stay put til your past, then carry on feeding and you can lamp it again another night. Run the rabbit and miss it and it will be lamp shy the next time you meet. Its not rocket science really is it?

 

Snoops is right, pups need to get confidence jumping obstacles in the daylight and they arent going to learn to hunt if the only thing they are ever used for is lamping, so its best to take them out and educate them during the daytime. Some dogs arent hunters, and no matter what you do they will never be interested in putting their noses to the ground, especially the very sighthoundy lurchers, but the way I see it is a dog that can hunt up, can always be put on a slip for lamping or daytime coursing, whereas a "point and slip" dog thats never been given the chance to learn to hunt, well you cant tell it to go off and hunt and expect it to know what to do if its never learned can you?

 

My collie crosses know exactly what were doing from years of experience. My old dog whines if I cock the air rifle in the house, he knows Im going to shoot a bunny from the window and he will get to retreive it (im lucky enough to have rabbits within 20/30 feet of my house, I can shoot them from my bedroom if I cant sleep at night ) and if I go for a walk in the afternoons with my rucksack on, Ollie knows to jump a certain part of the fence which we always use for a short cut when were going up the hill, and yet I take this same walk every day with her in the mornings and she never goes to jump the fence - because she knows the bag is not on my back!!! Therefore we are just going for a walk and not out hunting. She also walks beside me off the lead when were on the path and if a rabbit gets up she will look at me and she wont chase it unless I say its OK (which I dont because its right beside a busy road) but if were out on the hill, she is never at my side, she goes off and she hunts constantly from the minute she gets on there to the minute she comes off. Dogs that are used REGULARLY for HARD WORK learn the difference between different activities and they change their behaviour accordingly. I dont ferret very often I havent done any for months and I dont keep ferrets so as a result my dogs rarely mark inhabited warrens for more than a few seconds before moving on. Take a ferret box and a bag or spade and they will mark the warren and lie down beside it. Now I am no Johnny Morris and I dont sit the dogs down and have a wee talk with them and tell them "were ferreting today so I would like you to give marking your whole attention please and show me where the rabbits are" they just KNOW

 

Same with lamping, my dogs which hunt up like demons during daylight, never put their noses down once as they know lamping is a different ball game. They have learned this through constant work, being out day in day out and learning to adapt to the different tasks they are required to do. Admittedly they are border collie crosses, which are reknowned for never having to be shown something twice but other lurcher crosses can pick things up too, perhaps just takes a wee bit longer.

 

Some of the stuff people come out with on these forums makes me wonder if they actually do much hunting at all or if they just sit and talk shit all day and do their dog work in their sleep

THANK FCUK SOMEONE TALKS SOME SENSE

[lurcherman 28]

lamped rabbit is far easyer

[daz1976 8]

maybe i should have asked which is best to start a pup on daytime or lamped not the easist