First Season Dogs

[stop.end 4,082]

 

Ive never understood what lads get from running pups through empty earths or pipes. I think the first time they go to ground they should mark it and enter off their own backs. Encouraging into empty places encourages wasted time running through empty spots later in their career IMO.

On a personal note I have an 18 month old dog ready to start, hes marked a couple of spots over the summer and had a couple of rags on stuff thats been dug so far so hopefully he'll be going sooner rather than later.

I know what you're saying RH but I personally like to see a young terrier running a few empty spots.

IMO the terrier that's most likely to waste time is one with heart that wont take no for an answer. If a young terrier is game and thinks every earth is holding it will spend a long time checking, checking and checking again thus wasting time.

A young terrier with a good nose that knows some earths hold and some don't will quickly check and tell you what's what.

Another thing I don't buy is checking earths by a quick sniff at the entrance and on you go. Unless it's a small place the only way to check a place properly IMO is for the terrier to travel it. I'm not talking about spending all day waiting for the terrier to emerge, I'm talking about in one hole out another, in one hole then another and on you go.

As I've said before IMO there's lads spend their whole lives walking by game because earths are not checked properly.

I've even seen lads leave a terrier in the vehicle while they'd run over to look at a place ?????????????????

In fact, I'd say if lads were honest with themselves most have done it. Ridiculous.

Also, a lot of lads don't realise that in hard weather and one or two other factors that quarry wont leave home for days or weeks at a time.

And sometimes the most dead, unused looking place can have someone at home.

Scent is a mystery and how a quick sniff at an entrance can verify that anywhere other than a puppy earth is holding or not is silly IMO.

Entering pups properly is not just about what they can do once they've found it's about ending up with the full package that you can bring anywhere and do a good professional job under a whole lot of different scenarios.

And making sure that the youngster learns that not every earth is active is a big part of their education IMO.

 

how can you make a terrier that knows its job run an empty burrow. say the terrier knows its dead do you still make him run it and if so how?

 

you must be pssting your terriers.... for all the good terriers or even semi decent ones I have ever seen are never spoken too & would never run an empty burrow no matter how much an amateur psst or pointed....

 

surely it would look a more professional job when your terrier can over many a hole then telling you from ten yards away that his approaching burrow is whats live by the whole demeanor changing and only dropping when ones at home and accounting for it? is that young terrier still not to be trusted because he never ran the ten that didn't hold quarry then?

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

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Zilverhaze

 

He's got a heed like a bucket ffs.

[leethedog 3,071]

He's cock of the walk there pal is that the young bitch on the floor

[neil cooney 10,416]

Stopend, I think you're the one that's Psst.

Of all the terriers I ever owned nearly every single one of them was entered by myself, whether they worked out or not.

That's 30 years of entering my own terriers.

So how you can try telling me how to enter terriers is IMO very funny when you consider that you buy and swap adult terriers on the odd occasion that you're in and out of them.

 

 

Edited to add. Stopend, read the first line of your post. The subject of this topic is first season terriers.

Lets face it, you're just looking for an another argument with me.

Edited December 8, 2015 by neil cooney

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

No mate that's his mam at the foot heaters lol

[fat man 4,741]

image.jpg mates little border bitch done well today first time out,wanted to take her home with me lol atb AT

Good to see some lads are still working borders.

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

Zilverhaze

He's got a heed like a bucket ffs.

Pity there's no brain in ther lol

[MOLE265 792]

Zilverhaze

He's got a heed like a bucket ffs.

 

Pity there's no brain in ther lol

 

Pmsl.

[stop.end 4,082]

Stopend, I think you're the one that's Psst.

Of all the terriers I ever owned nearly every single one of them was entered by myself, whether they worked out or not.

That's 30 years of entering my own terriers.

So how you can try telling me how to enter terriers is IMO very funny when you consider that you buy and swap adult terriers on the odd occasion that you're in and out of them.

 

 

Edited to add. Stopend, read the first line of your post. The subject of this topic is first season terriers.

Lets face it, you're just looking for an another argument with me.

I have no argument with you Neil, its not primary school...I just asked you a question... how do you make pups... or experienced terriers run an empty earth.... genuine question?

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Stopend, I think you're the one that's Psst.

Of all the terriers I ever owned nearly every single one of them was entered by myself, whether they worked out or not.

That's 30 years of entering my own terriers.

So how you can try telling me how to enter terriers is IMO very funny when you consider that you buy and swap adult terriers on the odd occasion that you're in and out of them.

 

 

Edited to add. Stopend, read the first line of your post. The subject of this topic is first season terriers.

Lets face it, you're just looking for an another argument with me.

I have no argument with you Neil, its not primary school...I just asked you a question... how do you make pups... or experienced terriers run an empty earth.... genuine question?

Alright stop.end. sorry now this is completely off topic, but I seen there that you had up you were wearing the solognac jacket. Dunno did yiu see my comment on that topic, but are you still wearing it

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

Stopend, I think you're the one that's Psst.

Of all the terriers I ever owned nearly every single one of them was entered by myself, whether they worked out or not.

That's 30 years of entering my own terriers.

So how you can try telling me how to enter terriers is IMO very funny when you consider that you buy and swap adult terriers on the odd occasion that you're in and out of them.

 

 

Edited to add. Stopend, read the first line of your post. The subject of this topic is first season terriers.

Lets face it, you're just looking for an another argument with me.

I have no argument with you Neil, its not primary school...I just asked you a question... how do you make pups... or experienced terriers run an empty earth.... genuine question?

 

Stopend, in any type of training a dog for hunting you never MAKE a pup do something. Whether that's a gundog retrieving, a lurcher chasing or a terrier travelling an earth.

They have to WANT to do it and good well bred terriers will want to find game.

IMO the only type of working dogs that are MADE to do something are performing dogs in a circus.

Are you a clown Stopend ?

Genuine question.

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Im reserving judgment on mine at the moment, will see how he is at the end of season, hoping he will settle down and start to use his voice...time will tell.

[stop.end 4,082]

 

 

Stopend, I think you're the one that's Psst.

Of all the terriers I ever owned nearly every single one of them was entered by myself, whether they worked out or not.

That's 30 years of entering my own terriers.

So how you can try telling me how to enter terriers is IMO very funny when you consider that you buy and swap adult terriers on the odd occasion that you're in and out of them.

 

 

Edited to add. Stopend, read the first line of your post. The subject of this topic is first season terriers.

Lets face it, you're just looking for an another argument with me.

I have no argument with you Neil, its not primary school...I just asked you a question... how do you make pups... or experienced terriers run an empty earth.... genuine question?

 

Stopend, in any type of training a dog for hunting you never MAKE a pup do something. Whether that's a gundog retrieving, a lurcher chasing or a terrier travelling an earth.

They have to WANT to do it and good well bred terriers will want to find game.

IMO the only type of working dogs that are MADE to do something are performing dogs in a circus.

Are you a clown Stopend ?

Genuine question.

 

Why would you have to train anything that's been bred for work and work only? surely a well bred terrier will self enter when its ready or in some cases they have to be held back, and that's up to the terrier man to make that decision not train him as you say like a seal to perform for tidbits to please his circus master... also you said a good well bred terrier has to want to find game....what does that even mean of course he will need to want to find, but a good terrier can decipher between an active burrow, a burrow 1 has just left and I think its quite acceptable if the terrier runs that, and 1 that's dead...you said in a post before I sounded like an ANTI... is it not antis that say hunting folk train terriers?

 

You also said in a post that I swap or sell dogs.... do you have the name of one dog or pup I have sold or swapped or the name of the person I have sold or supposedly swapped something with? or you just trying to blacken my name on a internet hologram forum were you think I give 2 hoots about?

You also said in a post 3 years ago that the Irish Working Terrier Federation wouldn't last a year! well the IWTF is going into is 4th year in 2016.

and depends who you ask... but the answer would probably be yes...im a clown.

[stop.end 4,082]

 

 

Stopend, I think you're the one that's Psst.

Of all the terriers I ever owned nearly every single one of them was entered by myself, whether they worked out or not.

That's 30 years of entering my own terriers.

So how you can try telling me how to enter terriers is IMO very funny when you consider that you buy and swap adult terriers on the odd occasion that you're in and out of them.

 

 

Edited to add. Stopend, read the first line of your post. The subject of this topic is first season terriers.

Lets face it, you're just looking for an another argument with me.

I have no argument with you Neil, its not primary school...I just asked you a question... how do you make pups... or experienced terriers run an empty earth.... genuine question?

Alright stop.end. sorry now this is completely off topic, but I seen there that you had up you were wearing the solognac jacket. Dunno did yiu see my comment on that topic, but are you still wearing it

 

yes mate still wearing the solognac v500.... never seen your comment ill check it out now tho...why do you not like it?