First Season Dogs

[neil cooney 10,416]

Shovel, most of the time a terrier only has to go in a couple of feet at a few entrances to know whether anyones home or not.

I'm not talking about standing at an earth for an hour while the terrier checks every nook and cranny. I'm talking a few minutes so that I can walk away knowing nothings at home.

If you went to a big place and let the terrier have a sniff at the entrances while still on the lead IMO at times you've probably left game behind you.

I remember a few years ago a terrier sniffed at a handy 2 holer and said NO.

A few feet inside the entrances the tubes were flooded from top to bottom.

I tried Keedy. She went underwater, came out the other side and we dug her about 20 foot out in the field at 3 feet.

[shovel 160]

Shovel, most of the time a terrier only has to go in a couple of feet at a few entrances to know whether anyones home or not.

I'm not talking about standing at an earth for an hour while the terrier checks every nook and cranny. I'm talking a few minutes so that I can walk away knowing nothings at home.

If you went to a big place and let the terrier have a sniff at the entrances while still on the lead IMO at times you've probably left game behind you.

I remember a few years ago a terrier sniffed at a handy 2 holer and said NO.

A few feet inside the entrances the tubes were flooded from top to bottom.

I tried Keedy. She went underwater, came out the other side and we dug her about 20 foot out in the field at 3 feet.

I always leave my terrier off the lead when trying a place.often seen it pass a well used entrance and squeeze up a tight dead entrance and up to the quarry. As said it would be ideal if all terriers travelled empty earths to check them fully but imo some terriers just won't. Hopefully when I'm out and about I don't leave much game behind me but ud never know ☺ keedy sounds like a very useful terrier to have.bet she has proved a good few other terriers wrong!!

[rob284 1,682]

 

Shovel, most of the time a terrier only has to go in a couple of feet at a few entrances to know whether anyones home or not.

I'm not talking about standing at an earth for an hour while the terrier checks every nook and cranny. I'm talking a few minutes so that I can walk away knowing nothings at home.

If you went to a big place and let the terrier have a sniff at the entrances while still on the lead IMO at times you've probably left game behind you.

I remember a few years ago a terrier sniffed at a handy 2 holer and said NO.

A few feet inside the entrances the tubes were flooded from top to bottom.

I tried Keedy. She went underwater, came out the other side and we dug her about 20 foot out in the field at 3 feet.

I always leave my terrier off the lead when trying a place.often seen it pass a well used entrance and squeeze up a tight dead entrance and up to the quarry. As said it would be ideal if all terriers travelled empty earths to check them fully but imo some terriers just won't. Hopefully when I'm out and about I don't leave much game behind me but ud never know ☺ keedy sounds like a very useful terrier to have.bet she has proved a good few other terriers wrong!!

id rather them not run through earths as this leaves a strong scent detering quarry from occupying it. If the dog doesnt mark it on the lead i wont let it go in.

[Zilverhaze 1,627]

I see it as a bit of a fault running empty earths don't mind it in the first season but i try to get them out of it as soon as possible and I do fully believe a terrier what nows it's job can tell if a earths occupied by a quick sniff at the entrance

[mango 343]

 

 

Shovel, most of the time a terrier only has to go in a couple of feet at a few entrances to know whether anyones home or not.

I'm not talking about standing at an earth for an hour while the terrier checks every nook and cranny. I'm talking a few minutes so that I can walk away knowing nothings at home.

If you went to a big place and let the terrier have a sniff at the entrances while still on the lead IMO at times you've probably left game behind you.

I remember a few years ago a terrier sniffed at a handy 2 holer and said NO.

A few feet inside the entrances the tubes were flooded from top to bottom.

I tried Keedy. She went underwater, came out the other side and we dug her about 20 foot out in the field at 3 feet.

I always leave my terrier off the lead when trying a place.often seen it pass a well used entrance and squeeze up a tight dead entrance and up to the quarry. As said it would be ideal if all terriers travelled empty earths to check them fully but imo some terriers just won't. Hopefully when I'm out and about I don't leave much game behind me but ud never know ☺ keedy sounds like a very useful terrier to have.bet she has proved a good few other terriers wrong!!

id rather them not run through earths as this leaves a strong scent detering quarry from occupying it. If the dog doesnt mark it on the lead i wont let it go in.

 

 

Shovel, most of the time a terrier only has to go in a couple of feet at a few entrances to know whether anyones home or not.

I'm not talking about standing at an earth for an hour while the terrier checks every nook and cranny. I'm talking a few minutes so that I can walk away knowing nothings at home.

If you went to a big place and let the terrier have a sniff at the entrances while still on the lead IMO at times you've probably left game behind you.

I remember a few years ago a terrier sniffed at a handy 2 holer and said NO.

A few feet inside the entrances the tubes were flooded from top to bottom.

I tried Keedy. She went underwater, came out the other side and we dug her about 20 foot out in the field at 3 feet.

I always leave my terrier off the lead when trying a place.often seen it pass a well used entrance and squeeze up a tight dead entrance and up to the quarry. As said it would be ideal if all terriers travelled empty earths to check them fully but imo some terriers just won't. Hopefully when I'm out and about I don't leave much game behind me but ud never know ☺ keedy sounds like a very useful terrier to have.bet she has proved a good few other terriers wrong!!

id rather them not run through earths as this leaves a strong scent detering quarry from occupying it. If the dog doesnt mark it on the lead i wont let it go in.

Excuse my ignorance but how does your terrier mark when on the lead, does it dig at the hole,cock it's head to one side,give you a knowing look or pull on the lead to be let in and do you take it to every hole on the earth for it to try.

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

I think from what ive seen a terrier marking on a lead is a north/south divide thing. Up here you can check a lot of empty holes before you mark something whereas in most of the southern counties there's plenty of game so you can be pretty sure most places will hold and the terrier can be left off to find etc, but if you did that up north you'd be wasting a lot of time.

And every dog marks places differently. Some will whine, some will dig at the entrance etc etc, its up to the owner to notice the change in the dog and figure when the dog is marking a place as occupied.

[rob284 1,682]

 

 

 

Shovel, most of the time a terrier only has to go in a couple of feet at a few entrances to know whether anyones home or not.

I'm not talking about standing at an earth for an hour while the terrier checks every nook and cranny. I'm talking a few minutes so that I can walk away knowing nothings at home.

If you went to a big place and let the terrier have a sniff at the entrances while still on the lead IMO at times you've probably left game behind you.

I remember a few years ago a terrier sniffed at a handy 2 holer and said NO.

A few feet inside the entrances the tubes were flooded from top to bottom.

I tried Keedy. She went underwater, came out the other side and we dug her about 20 foot out in the field at 3 feet.

I always leave my terrier off the lead when trying a place.often seen it pass a well used entrance and squeeze up a tight dead entrance and up to the quarry. As said it would be ideal if all terriers travelled empty earths to check them fully but imo some terriers just won't. Hopefully when I'm out and about I don't leave much game behind me but ud never know ☺ keedy sounds like a very useful terrier to have.bet she has proved a good few other terriers wrong!!

id rather them not run through earths as this leaves a strong scent detering quarry from occupying it. If the dog doesnt mark it on the lead i wont let it go in.

 

 

Shovel, most of the time a terrier only has to go in a couple of feet at a few entrances to know whether anyones home or not.

I'm not talking about standing at an earth for an hour while the terrier checks every nook and cranny. I'm talking a few minutes so that I can walk away knowing nothings at home.

If you went to a big place and let the terrier have a sniff at the entrances while still on the lead IMO at times you've probably left game behind you.

I remember a few years ago a terrier sniffed at a handy 2 holer and said NO.

A few feet inside the entrances the tubes were flooded from top to bottom.

I tried Keedy. She went underwater, came out the other side and we dug her about 20 foot out in the field at 3 feet.

I always leave my terrier off the lead when trying a place.often seen it pass a well used entrance and squeeze up a tight dead entrance and up to the quarry. As said it would be ideal if all terriers travelled empty earths to check them fully but imo some terriers just won't. Hopefully when I'm out and about I don't leave much game behind me but ud never know ☺ keedy sounds like a very useful terrier to have.bet she has proved a good few other terriers wrong!!

id rather them not run through earths as this leaves a strong scent detering quarry from occupying it. If the dog doesnt mark it on the lead i wont let it go in.

Excuse my ignorance but how does your terrier mark when on the lead, does it dig at the hole,cock it's head to one side,give you a knowing look or pull on the lead to be let in and do you take it to every hole on the earth for it to try.

you will know if a dog is marking on the lead, it wont let you walk away. I wont let a dog off the lead until it marks, as the last thing i want is a dog that gets used to running an unoccupied earth because it will reduce the chance of it being occupied in a few weeks or so.

[marshman 7,758]

As always there's no definite correct answer some dogs will check and Earth by entering some don't need to and are confident without running it through. as long as another dog doesn't go behind your dog and get on then in either type of dog then your alright ?

[Francie 6,368]

I like the terrier of the lead, an checking the earth's properly, as mango says, do you take the terrier to every entrance, you would need to if you just kept it on lead, over the years trying earth's, there was a few occasions on rangey spots with a few holes, the kicked out holes dog went in a foot or two back out, done this at different clean entrances, nothing, then finally to the dead entrance, dog enters, an were in!!!

 

Dog needs to be of lead, trying every hole.

[leethedog 3,071]

I'm still green so you all can shout me down if ya like but I like to see the dog off lead checking working it out for its self surely that is part of it a working terrier its working when figuring it out and its working when its under the sod

Edited November 6, 2015 by leethedog

[marshman 7,758]

I like the terrier of the lead, an checking the earth's properly, as mango says, do you take the terrier to every entrance, you would need to if you just kept it on lead, over the years trying earth's, there was a few occasions on rangey spots with a few holes, the kicked out holes dog went in a foot or two back out, done this at different clean entrances, nothing, then finally to the dead entrance, dog enters, an were in!!!

 

Dog needs to be of lead, trying every hole.

I agree with letting the dog check the earth Francie although there's a big difference from checking earths of lead than to running it through every earth

[rob284 1,682]

 

I like the terrier of the lead, an checking the earth's properly, as mango says, do you take the terrier to every entrance, you would need to if you just kept it on lead, over the years trying earth's, there was a few occasions on rangey spots with a few holes, the kicked out holes dog went in a foot or two back out, done this at different clean entrances, nothing, then finally to the dead entrance, dog enters, an were in!!!

 

Dog needs to be of lead, trying every hole.

I agree with letting the dog check the earth Francie although there's a big difference from checking earths of lead than to running it through every earth

agreed, once i know my dog inside out id happily let it work off the lead knowing that it would only drop in an occupied earth, but i wouldnt let a pup roam freely running empty earths.

[leethedog 3,071]

An honest question if a pup runs a couple of empty spots then finds in a different spot will it not learn the difference or are terriers that bloody minded that it will be unable to learn

[leethedog 3,071]

An honest question if a pup runs a couple of empty spots then finds in a different spot will it not learn the difference or are terriers that bloody minded that it will be unable to learn

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

Shovel, most of the time a terrier only has to go in a couple of feet at a few entrances to know whether anyones home or not.

I'm not talking about standing at an earth for an hour while the terrier checks every nook and cranny. I'm talking a few minutes so that I can walk away knowing nothings at home.

If you went to a big place and let the terrier have a sniff at the entrances while still on the lead IMO at times you've probably left game behind you.

I remember a few years ago a terrier sniffed at a handy 2 holer and said NO.

A few feet inside the entrances the tubes were flooded from top to bottom.

I tried Keedy. She went underwater, came out the other side and we dug her about 20 foot out in the field at 3 feet.

I always leave my terrier off the lead when trying a place.often seen it pass a well used entrance and squeeze up a tight dead entrance and up to the quarry. As said it would be ideal if all terriers travelled empty earths to check them fully but imo some terriers just won't. Hopefully when I'm out and about I don't leave much game behind me but ud never know ☺ keedy sounds like a very useful terrier to have.bet she has proved a good few other terriers wrong!!

 

You and I are on the same wave length.

I was out for a couple of hours yesterday. Checked a few places with a terrier running loose (a daughter of Keedys) with my lurcher, two shovels in one hand, two leads in the other. Collar on the terrier.

Tried six usually good places, all empty. As I was passing an old, disused cottage the terrier went in and found a brace of foxes under the floor. Both bolted out a window and got away. To see the lurcher sailing out through the window without touching anything was great but the foxes only had to get about ten feet before they were in thick covert.

But the point being, I'd have had no sport whatsoever if the terrier was on a lead.

 

How anyone can say when checking a big place by letting the terrier have a sniff at the hole that it's either empty or holding is beyond me.

How do you know ?

Just because that particular terrier has never let you down when with it's quarry doesn't mean it finds 100% of the time.

Like I keep saying, scent is a very mysterious thing and scent in an earth isn't always sitting there at the entrance telling a terrier that someone's at home.