Organ Donation

[Truther 1,579]

 

Its a no from me...........Things you cant get an answer to on google.

 

How many British doctors are registered donors? .............no figures...............42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors.

 

How Many Welsh doctors have opted out? ...........no figures.

 

If its such a good thing, a noble act, why aren't all doctors automatically registered as donors?

 

You aren't dead, organs aren't much use if you're proper dead, very small window to harvest..............the rules are "two experienced doctors have to determine you are clinically dead, or brain stem dead.............muhammed and iqbual aren't getting that option on me, 1, there's a very high demand from ethnic communities for organs, self inflicted by inbreeding, 2, The muslim doctors association of GB oath, "To promote the islamic faith in medicine, and promote the health of muslims in the UK. Should be illegal under race laws, but its ignored by the BMA, government.

 

Its a bit harsh, but mending naturally faulty people just creates more faulty people, some medical conditions could be completely eradicated or greatly reduced by not letting carriers breed, Hemophilia for eg But no, we want to play god and weaken our own species, its not like we're endangered is it.

f****n hell thats a bit grim.

 

 

Would you breed pups from genetically faulty stock mate? We all understand that one...............but insist on perpetuating faults in our own species, not logical, and hypocritical?

[TOPPER 1,809]

they can have what they like all my bits are fuk ed god help the poor bugger that has them , they ll end up with more problems

[Welsh_red 4,645]

 

 

 

Its a no from me...........Things you cant get an answer to on google.

 

How many British doctors are registered donors? .............no figures...............42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors.

 

How Many Welsh doctors have opted out? ...........no figures.

 

If its such a good thing, a noble act, why aren't all doctors automatically registered as donors?

 

You aren't dead, organs aren't much use if you're proper dead, very small window to harvest..............the rules are "two experienced doctors have to determine you are clinically dead, or brain stem dead.............muhammed and iqbual aren't getting that option on me, 1, there's a very high demand from ethnic communities for organs, self inflicted by inbreeding, 2, The muslim doctors association of GB oath, "To promote the islamic faith in medicine, and promote the health of muslims in the UK. Should be illegal under race laws, but its ignored by the BMA, government.

 

Its a bit harsh, but mending naturally faulty people just creates more faulty people, some medical conditions could be completely eradicated or greatly reduced by not letting carriers breed, Hemophilia for eg But no, we want to play god and weaken our own species, its not like we're endangered is it.

f****n hell thats a bit grim.

Would you breed pups from genetically faulty stock mate? We all understand that one...............but insist on perpetuating faults in our own species, not logical, and hypocritical?

Maybe i dont undestand u properly but if your daughter had a fault that will kill her would u consider her not worthy of saving. Apologies if i got your point wrong tho. Sensetive subject

[donnyc 1,203]

Well 13 14 years ago I was diagnosed with cancer of the liver ..It was the size of a pea but was given a matter of a few weeks to live..I was lucky I was transplanted in 3 weeks...A young 35 year old in the ward was diagnosed with 3 tiny spots of cancer on his liver he was told nothing could be done ,poor bloke never smoked drank etc etc just got engaged and had a week or so left ..Bloody disease..So yes Im for the opt out system

[Blackbriar 8,569]

I signed up many years ago. My wife and family are aware of my wishes. I've even made enquiries about body donation, rather than just bits of it.

 

I don't believe in any kind of afterlife so, when I'm gone, I won't be needing it. If they can find anything that's any use, they're more than welcome to it.

 

If you 'carry the card', please inform your next of kin - its them who will be asked, not you !

 

 

Just on one of Truthers issues, inter- racial organ transplant is rare, due to the increased risk of rejection - DNA and mitochondrial differences, I think, but don't know any more than that.....too technical for me.

[Truther 1,579]

 

 

 

Its a no from me...........Things you cant get an answer to on google.

 

How many British doctors are registered donors? .............no figures...............42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors.

 

How Many Welsh doctors have opted out? ...........no figures.

 

If its such a good thing, a noble act, why aren't all doctors automatically registered as donors?

 

You aren't dead, organs aren't much use if you're proper dead, very small window to harvest..............the rules are "two experienced doctors have to determine you are clinically dead, or brain stem dead.............muhammed and iqbual aren't getting that option on me, 1, there's a very high demand from ethnic communities for organs, self inflicted by inbreeding, 2, The muslim doctors association of GB oath, "To promote the islamic faith in medicine, and promote the health of muslims in the UK. Should be illegal under race laws, but its ignored by the BMA, government.

 

Its a bit harsh, but mending naturally faulty people just creates more faulty people, some medical conditions could be completely eradicated or greatly reduced by not letting carriers breed, Hemophilia for eg But no, we want to play god and weaken our own species, its not like we're endangered is it.

f****n hell thats a bit grim.

Would you breed pups from genetically faulty stock mate? We all understand that one...............but insist on perpetuating faults in our own species, not logical, and hypocritical?

Maybe i dont undestand u properly but if your daughter had a fault that will kill her would u consider her not worthy of saving. Apologies if i got your point wrong tho. Sensetive subject

 

 

Of course i would save a daughter mate, who wouldn't? If it was a case of donating a kidney or something else i could live without i'd get tested for a match asap, so would the rest of the family, i'd die to save her if it was a heart, but they wouldn't do that would they. I'm making 2 points, maybe that's the confusing part?

 

I don't trust the doctors who make the decisions...........why aren't all doctors registered donors?.........Why aren't the statistics of doctors being registered not available.......don't inspire confidence does it? The only figure i can find is 42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors, well less than 50%? Maybe the government should have made "opt out" compulsory for the medical professionals first, might inspire some confidence in the general public, but i suspect the reason is it would have the opposite effect if they published honest figures for doctors opting out?

 

The second point was.............we could eradicate or lessen the need for transplants/medical care by stopping genetic faults at the source, ie don't let people with hereditary faults breed. So if my daughter was saved by a transplant, and the problem was a hereditary genetic disorder, i wouldn't want her to have kids and pass it on to my grandkids, common sense, and there's plenty of kids need a good adoptive home if anyone can't live without kids. It wouldn't work 100% i know that, but it would lessen the instance of genetic diseases, so would making inbreeding illegal.

 

You're right Blackbriar, interracial transplants don't work as well, but i doubt it stops them trying, in 2013/14 56 donors were from minority backgrounds, figures for ethnic minority people who got transplants don't seem to be available

[donnyc 1,203]

The ..decision as to who gets a transplant is taken by a very large commitee specialists , surgeons, transplant co ordinators etc etc ..Its not just a local donor goes to a local recipient its countrywide .

[Welsh_red 4,645]

I have no idea why doctors dont agree to it en masse. Some religeons dont do it because of the afterlife. Maybe that has something to do with it

[terryd 8,436]

balls no body told me about the afterlife

Edited November 5, 2015 by terryd

[jacknife 2,005]

If you don't want to donate fine

 

Agree it should be opt out and those that opt out also opt out of receiving organs

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

Its a no from me...........Things you cant get an answer to on google.

 

How many British doctors are registered donors? .............no figures...............42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors.

 

How Many Welsh doctors have opted out? ...........no figures.

 

If its such a good thing, a noble act, why aren't all doctors automatically registered as donors?

 

You aren't dead, organs aren't much use if you're proper dead, very small window to harvest..............the rules are "two experienced doctors have to determine you are clinically dead, or brain stem dead.............muhammed and iqbual aren't getting that option on me, 1, there's a very high demand from ethnic communities for organs, self inflicted by inbreeding, 2, The muslim doctors association of GB oath, "To promote the islamic faith in medicine, and promote the health of muslims in the UK. Should be illegal under race laws, but its ignored by the BMA, government.

 

Its a bit harsh, but mending naturally faulty people just creates more faulty people, some medical conditions could be completely eradicated or greatly reduced by not letting carriers breed, Hemophilia for eg But no, we want to play god and weaken our own species, its not like we're endangered is it.

f****n hell thats a bit grim.

Would you breed pups from genetically faulty stock mate? We all understand that one...............but insist on perpetuating faults in our own species, not logical, and hypocritical?

Maybe i dont undestand u properly but if your daughter had a fault that will kill her would u consider her not worthy of saving. Apologies if i got your point wrong tho. Sensetive subject

Of course i would save a daughter mate, who wouldn't? If it was a case of donating a kidney or something else i could live without i'd get tested for a match asap, so would the rest of the family, i'd die to save her if it was a heart, but they wouldn't do that would they. I'm making 2 points, maybe that's the confusing part?

 

I don't trust the doctors who make the decisions...........why aren't all doctors registered donors?.........Why aren't the statistics of doctors being registered not available.......don't inspire confidence does it? The only figure i can find is 42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors, well less than 50%? Maybe the government should have made "opt out" compulsory for the medical professionals first, might inspire some confidence in the general public, but i suspect the reason is it would have the opposite effect if they published honest figures for doctors opting out?

 

The second point was.............we could eradicate or lessen the need for transplants/medical care by stopping genetic faults at the source, ie don't let people with hereditary faults breed. So if my daughter was saved by a transplant, and the problem was a hereditary genetic disorder, i wouldn't want her to have kids and pass it on to my grandkids, common sense, and there's plenty of kids need a good adoptive home if anyone can't live without kids. It wouldn't work 100% i know that, but it would lessen the instance of genetic diseases, so would making inbreeding illegal.

 

You're right Blackbriar, interracial transplants don't work as well, but i doubt it stops them trying, in 2013/14 56 donors were from minority backgrounds, figures for ethnic minority people who got transplants don't seem to be available

I think that's called wanting your cake and eating it.

 

You don't agree with organ donation to save someone with an illness that is potentially hereditary due to weakening the country's gene pool.

 

But you would agree with organ donation to save a loved one with a potentially hereditary illness and then hope they didn't reproduce.

 

So black and white, yes or no, if the decision was in your hands, mandatory organ donation for all - yes or no?

[walshie 2,804]

I don't see a problem with it being mandatory with an opt-out option rather than vice-versa.

[Truther 1,579]

 

 

 

 

 

Its a no from me...........Things you cant get an answer to on google.

 

How many British doctors are registered donors? .............no figures...............42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors.

 

How Many Welsh doctors have opted out? ...........no figures.

 

If its such a good thing, a noble act, why aren't all doctors automatically registered as donors?

 

You aren't dead, organs aren't much use if you're proper dead, very small window to harvest..............the rules are "two experienced doctors have to determine you are clinically dead, or brain stem dead.............muhammed and iqbual aren't getting that option on me, 1, there's a very high demand from ethnic communities for organs, self inflicted by inbreeding, 2, The muslim doctors association of GB oath, "To promote the islamic faith in medicine, and promote the health of muslims in the UK. Should be illegal under race laws, but its ignored by the BMA, government.

 

Its a bit harsh, but mending naturally faulty people just creates more faulty people, some medical conditions could be completely eradicated or greatly reduced by not letting carriers breed, Hemophilia for eg But no, we want to play god and weaken our own species, its not like we're endangered is it.

f****n hell thats a bit grim.

Would you breed pups from genetically faulty stock mate? We all understand that one...............but insist on perpetuating faults in our own species, not logical, and hypocritical?

Maybe i dont undestand u properly but if your daughter had a fault that will kill her would u consider her not worthy of saving. Apologies if i got your point wrong tho. Sensetive subject

Of course i would save a daughter mate, who wouldn't? If it was a case of donating a kidney or something else i could live without i'd get tested for a match asap, so would the rest of the family, i'd die to save her if it was a heart, but they wouldn't do that would they. I'm making 2 points, maybe that's the confusing part?

 

I don't trust the doctors who make the decisions...........why aren't all doctors registered donors?.........Why aren't the statistics of doctors being registered not available.......don't inspire confidence does it? The only figure i can find is 42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors, well less than 50%? Maybe the government should have made "opt out" compulsory for the medical professionals first, might inspire some confidence in the general public, but i suspect the reason is it would have the opposite effect if they published honest figures for doctors opting out?

 

The second point was.............we could eradicate or lessen the need for transplants/medical care by stopping genetic faults at the source, ie don't let people with hereditary faults breed. So if my daughter was saved by a transplant, and the problem was a hereditary genetic disorder, i wouldn't want her to have kids and pass it on to my grandkids, common sense, and there's plenty of kids need a good adoptive home if anyone can't live without kids. It wouldn't work 100% i know that, but it would lessen the instance of genetic diseases, so would making inbreeding illegal.

 

You're right Blackbriar, interracial transplants don't work as well, but i doubt it stops them trying, in 2013/14 56 donors were from minority backgrounds, figures for ethnic minority people who got transplants don't seem to be available

I think that's called wanting your cake and eating it.

 

You don't agree with organ donation to save someone with an illness that is potentially hereditary due to weakening the country's gene pool.

 

But you would agree with organ donation to save a loved one with a potentially hereditary illness and then hope they didn't reproduce.

 

So black and white, yes or no, if the decision was in your hands, mandatory organ donation for all - yes or no?

 

 

I don't know why you think that's a hard question? Its a no mate.

 

Where did i say i don't agree with organ donation to save someone with a hereditary illness? If they exist its only right to treat them any way we can, but by some simple selective non breeding the hereditary disease/fault could be greatly reduced or eradicated in the first place. What we do now is......allow indiscriminate breeding/inbreeding and suffer the consequences, or the victim and their families do.

 

I'll opt out when it comes to England, not donating/not receiving is fair enough.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its a no from me...........Things you cant get an answer to on google.

 

How many British doctors are registered donors? .............no figures...............42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors.

 

How Many Welsh doctors have opted out? ...........no figures.

 

If its such a good thing, a noble act, why aren't all doctors automatically registered as donors?

 

You aren't dead, organs aren't much use if you're proper dead, very small window to harvest..............the rules are "two experienced doctors have to determine you are clinically dead, or brain stem dead.............muhammed and iqbual aren't getting that option on me, 1, there's a very high demand from ethnic communities for organs, self inflicted by inbreeding, 2, The muslim doctors association of GB oath, "To promote the islamic faith in medicine, and promote the health of muslims in the UK. Should be illegal under race laws, but its ignored by the BMA, government.

 

Its a bit harsh, but mending naturally faulty people just creates more faulty people, some medical conditions could be completely eradicated or greatly reduced by not letting carriers breed, Hemophilia for eg But no, we want to play god and weaken our own species, its not like we're endangered is it.

f****n hell thats a bit grim.

Would you breed pups from genetically faulty stock mate? We all understand that one...............but insist on perpetuating faults in our own species, not logical, and hypocritical?

Maybe i dont undestand u properly but if your daughter had a fault that will kill her would u consider her not worthy of saving. Apologies if i got your point wrong tho. Sensetive subject

Of course i would save a daughter mate, who wouldn't? If it was a case of donating a kidney or something else i could live without i'd get tested for a match asap, so would the rest of the family, i'd die to save her if it was a heart, but they wouldn't do that would they. I'm making 2 points, maybe that's the confusing part?

 

I don't trust the doctors who make the decisions...........why aren't all doctors registered donors?.........Why aren't the statistics of doctors being registered not available.......don't inspire confidence does it? The only figure i can find is 42% of Canadian doctors are registered donors, well less than 50%? Maybe the government should have made "opt out" compulsory for the medical professionals first, might inspire some confidence in the general public, but i suspect the reason is it would have the opposite effect if they published honest figures for doctors opting out?

 

The second point was.............we could eradicate or lessen the need for transplants/medical care by stopping genetic faults at the source, ie don't let people with hereditary faults breed. So if my daughter was saved by a transplant, and the problem was a hereditary genetic disorder, i wouldn't want her to have kids and pass it on to my grandkids, common sense, and there's plenty of kids need a good adoptive home if anyone can't live without kids. It wouldn't work 100% i know that, but it would lessen the instance of genetic diseases, so would making inbreeding illegal.

 

You're right Blackbriar, interracial transplants don't work as well, but i doubt it stops them trying, in 2013/14 56 donors were from minority backgrounds, figures for ethnic minority people who got transplants don't seem to be available

I think that's called wanting your cake and eating it.

 

You don't agree with organ donation to save someone with an illness that is potentially hereditary due to weakening the country's gene pool.

 

But you would agree with organ donation to save a loved one with a potentially hereditary illness and then hope they didn't reproduce.

 

So black and white, yes or no, if the decision was in your hands, mandatory organ donation for all - yes or no?

Where did i say i don't agree with organ donation to save someone with a hereditary illness? .

You said...

 

"Its a bit harsh, but mending naturally faulty people just creates more faulty people"

 

Surely this implies that we shouldn't "mend them"?

[Truther 1,579]

Fair point mate, i did say that, but not intended as you're reading it, i couldn't let people (some people) die if others we're prepared to donate organs to save them, that's their choice, like not donating is mine. My point is a lot of it could be avoided in the first place, it will be eventually, things never stay the same with human thinking, we're in a period of plenty, and have the options to squander things, it wont last forever.