Socialism Curse Of The Society

[bird 9,916]

Sorry but that doesn`t work.

 

Socialism to me is the equal distribution of well being.. The people at the top making space for others to share in the wealth. It`s not for freeloaders, thats not what it`s about.

 

 

Socialism is making everyone equaly responsible for each other.

 

 

 

Yes it`s a utopia, but it`s not the pipe dream every one ridicules. Socialism does not mean, "lets live on the dole" and to suggest it does is lazy.

true that, the man on the shop floor working hard for 40 hours should be rewarded , and not payed feckin peanuts, socialisam was born for working class to be treated fair thats why unions were mad e health/safety etc, it amazes me the amount of tories on here that have the same mind set as a farmer or land owners that have got wealth deff, and dont want dog lads on there ground, in there minds its a working class thing /tinkers . yrt there let the hunts on because they get money from it, but not your average lurcher lad, and it not going to change i am 63 and seenit all before , i voted labour for 40 years, but havnt bothered the last 10 years i voted kip the last time.

[DIDO.1 22,838]

 

 

Sorry but that doesn`t work.

 

Socialism to me is the equal distribution of well being.. The people at the top making space for others to share in the wealth. It`s not for freeloaders, thats not what it`s about.

 

 

Socialism is making everyone equaly responsible for each other.

 

 

 

Yes it`s a utopia, but it`s not the pipe dream every one ridicules. Socialism does not mean, "lets live on the dole" and to suggest it does is lazy.

true that, the man on the shop floor working hard for 40 hours should be rewarded , and not payed feckin peanuts, socialisam was born for working class to be treated fair thats why unions were mad e health/safety etc, it amazes me the amount of tories on here that have the same mind set as a farmer or land owners that have got wealth deff, and dont want dog lads on there ground, in there minds its a working class thing /tinkers . yrt there let the hunts on because they get money from it, but not your average lurcher lad, and it not going to change i am 63 and seenit all before , i voted labour for 40 years, but havnt bothered the last 10 years i voted kip the last time.

How does a farmer get money from a hunt? I know lots of farmers won't let dog lads on because they give nothing back, yet the hunt pick up fallen stock and build fences/lay hedges, it isn't about money.

[DIDO.1 22,838]

Socialism doesn't work. It's the forcing of an unnatural system on society. Capitalism is how the world works. If there was a nuclear holocaust tomorrow, as people crawled out of the bunkers there would be somebody selling tinned food to support his tribe, his family, his group.

[DIDO.1 22,838]

There is more social mobility in the UK today than ever before, I grew up on a council estate and am now a rat catcher yet I can holiday in tropical lands and ride to hounds, that has never been possible before....yet those with a natural left wing leaning can only bleat about what others earn.

[WILF 46,873]

 

Sorry but that doesn`t work.

 

Socialism to me is the equal distribution of well being.. The people at the top making space for others to share in the wealth. It`s not for freeloaders, thats not what it`s about.

 

 

Socialism is making everyone equaly responsible for each other.

 

 

 

Yes it`s a utopia, but it`s not the pipe dream every one ridicules. Socialism does not mean, "lets live on the dole" and to suggest it does is lazy.

 

true that, the man on the shop floor working hard for 40 hours should be rewarded , and not payed feckin peanuts, socialisam was born for working class to be treated fair thats why unions were mad e health/safety etc, it amazes me the amount of tories on here that have the same mind set as a farmer or land owners that have got wealth deff, and dont want dog lads on there ground, in there minds its a working class thing /tinkers . yrt there let the hunts on because they get money from it, but not your average lurcher lad, and it not going to change i am 63 and seenit all before , i voted labour for 40 years, but havnt bothered the last 10 years i voted kip the last time.

The man on the shop floor should be rewarded if he is GOOD at what he does. And genuinely brings value to the task

And there is a school of thought that says if somebody starts a company or studies hard enough to run a company then why should the fruit of their labour be distributed to those who choose not to do so ?

 

If I start a firm and risk my money using my idea and putting my time into it, should my workers be paid as much as me?.......they indeed had the option to do the same but didn't ?

So what is fair ?

[mackay 3,364]

 

 

Someone tell me that a perfect socialist society isn`t the best option.

 

And put some thought into it, don`t just paraphrase.

ok, give me one example of where it has been tried and seems to be halfway workable, the theory that it is the best way to live is everyones idea of how things should work but in practice its more corrupt than the shit we live under in the UK now

 

 

Corrupting it doesn`t make it wrong, it makes the people that corrupt it wrong.

 

 

 

Socialism to me means that we look after the people that need it. We accept that we can`t earn 100k a year when we don't deserve it because others need a share of that.

 

I work in oil, I know folk on 200k a year and they don`t deserve it,, that money could be shared out to people trying to support a family by working for 6 quid an hour.

 

 

Tell me thats wrong,

 

 

And don't start me on self employed folk hiding there cash to avoid tax, then bitching about schools and hospitals.

 

I could and will go on all night here, this seriously pisses me off

 

So, Joe Bloggs the self employed joiner not declaring all earnings, doing some cash in hand jobs on the side pisses you off?.

Only paying seven grand into the pot instead of eight?.

That's more than a large section of society put together, forget the fact self employed people have got off their arse and are actually contributing something (even if it's not the amount owed) they're not getting handouts like your mates.

You know,

the pretend ill/disabled,

alcoholics,

junkies,

single mothers with feck knows how many kids,

three generations of workshy families,

Johnny foreigner, feeding off the system.

All of the above are living off in part to what the self employed pay in.

Do you wonder why someone holds back declaring their earnings when looking at that list?.

Speaks volumes about people when they single out the working man as the problem.

Your dream of Utopia cannot and will not ever work, there is a large section of society who are and always will be takers, sort them out before you turn your attention to a working man putting himself and his family before a shower of workshy scroungers.

[WILF 46,873]

And the above few posts are a perfect example of why political socialism is a poison, it's gets people resenting each other and devides society.

If it was your choice what you gave you wouldn't give a shit what the other bloke gave and who got it

[Francie 6,368]

I suppose a persons view on the acquirement and distribution of wealth rests on ones sociological standpoint. I'm afraid to say I am a functionalist in that respect, I think marxism relies too heavily on the 'goodness of man', of which I am highly dubious and probably lean towards a Calvinistic approach of 'total depravity' I am not a Calvinist, more of a 'calminian' !

 

In view of wealth, a statement I acknowledge more than any other is this:

 

"For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." 1 Timothy 6:10.

 

This is often misquoted to say "money is the root of all evil" omitting the "love of" which I think we should rid ourselves, if necessary, regardless of what those in power do with it . .

Hello FM, Il correct this for you,

[Francie 6,368]

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.