Collie Blood

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The bitch on the left of the photo is the right type to breed a collie/grey.

 

They look lazy b*****ds most border collies have the ability to run next to a quad all day with easy. Get em off and next to you lol no use on the quad

 

 

We had to go a couple of miles in land to find the sheep and no point going slow lol.

 

They spend most of their day on their feet working 1500 at a time quite often, but average mob is 600 plus. Also work cattle.

 

The only time they are on the quad apart from whizzing up the roads, is when I'm doing something else, they are told to sit on the quad and stay out the way. In this photo they are staring at me, grabbing a sheep, and desperately want to get stuck in

 

Lazy they are not

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One thing I've really noticed lately is how varied collies are. Im working three regular at the moment, often side by side and they have very different attitudes and temperaments. In the case of what I'm doing with them its great as they fulfil different roles. But only one out of three would I think be the right kind to produce a lurcher. The other two are physically sound and great in many ways but the third is just a much simpler, tougher animal who works in a direct and forceful manner with no backing down. Her role in the team is to course and catch individual sheep and single out and hold other animals. She will take a pounding with no reverse gear.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

One thing I've really noticed lately is how varied collies are. Im working three regular at the moment, often side by side and they have very different attitudes and temperaments. In the case of what I'm doing with them its great as they fulfil different roles. But only one out of three would I think be the right kind to produce a lurcher. The other two are physically sound and great in many ways but the third is just a much simpler, tougher animal who works in a direct and forceful manner with no backing down. Her role in the team is to course and catch individual sheep and single out and hold other animals. She will take a pounding with no reverse gear.

 

Very true Jai, the number of mentally stable collies get smaller and smaller each year. The last few years I have been doing a fair few jobs for smallholdings, and some of the mixed breed farm dogs that I have met on them has been an eye opener. they are "collie types" but few are pure bred.Terrier, GSD even labs have appeared in their dim and recent past. Whilst they are not the capable herding dogs that you would find on larger farms, they are however blessed with a more stable disposition. Capable of driving or holding sheep (not herding as such) but will tackle cattle, goats, pigs when needed. But not "wired", nervy or sensitive. A good splash of this type would have a lot to add to a line of lurchers.

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Funnily enough I was working sheep with a patter dale yesterday. . . . . in the dark Filling a race and loading and unloading trailers. He'd nip and chase on command and leave off when told.

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Not the best photo of it, but not all collies work in that standoff ish, stare down manner.

 

All three of the ones I've got here will speak (bark) and bite and nip on command as well as rush in and push sheep hard, but this bitch lives to run them down and get them to the ground.

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we dream of pastures that green around here.And flat

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Its a bit bizarre for me to mate Its all herbal leys, rocket fuel. Big big fields as well. very different from the hills, woods and scrub of home.

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

 

 

 

 

 

Aye I'm of the thinking a bit is great, too much and ye may aswell have a saluki x lol

no chance. My dog is very collie in his make up, and he's been a total doddle to bring on n train and live with.

Had a pup recently with saluki in it, il never have saluki in a dog again. Had it 9 weeks and regimes it.

Well some folk get on with saluki like you get on I with collie. I think they both arse holes lol

i get on with a dog that wants to listen regardless of what's in it. I had a deer grey x collie grey, too look at it was a greyhound , temperament of a deerhound from what I could gather. Did everything in her own time, bit stubborn.

What are deerhound temps like Bill? Do they like doing this in their own time? Lol

Dont know how a thread on collie blood can drift once again to an attempt to undermine deerhounds..I rarely give any information on my dogs, or on the deerhound breed, but I will make this single exception, make the most of it, theyre will be no more..

I can only speak for the deerhounds that I had..Mine had great temps..and they did it in my time. I am a lurcherman who had a couple of deerhounds for a bit play around with and brought them up as lurchers, they killed rabbits by 10 months, they were coursing hares by 12-13 month, and were running in organised hare coursing events by 16 months..they slayed deer and completely inialated fox, they never jacked, quit, went in the huff or let me down. So temp wise, they were ok,

Even crosses off dogs of this calibre can be spoilt by putting the wrong dogs to them, thats why just a touch of collie works with them, stubborness I can assure you comes from the collie, not the deerhound, and as my learnered friend W Katchum states, the saluki would be just as bad.

i was just stating what I had before, I'm not comparing deerhound x to a collie x. Basically saying any cross can be a twat. All I hear is good about deer grey collie grey yet mine was a nightmare. Got something now, that if you listened to everything on here, should be a nightmare , and he's not. Anyway I'm off to kip, knackered!

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http://youtu.be/NVzbP_oGKlU

Before any of you say "Ye but the dogs backed off", listen to what he's saying

 

Fascinating video. Hard to watch the dogs getting slammed into the gates, though. I had to watch a few more similar ones after that as the whole herding thing is so interesting. Seeing the way a small predator can gain control over enormous cattle. The power of the eye, that determination and focus is amazing.

I just got the feeling if the dogs were bit harder and use there teeth more, say like a acd would , they control the cattle better , and prob the dogs not get so knocked about. Holding back like they are , is making the cattle domineer the dogs more , well that's how it looks to me. I rather have a acd or a gsd as herding dog, as both have more fire in them than your average border collie

 

Kelpies are meant to work well with cattle, seen a few videos on Facebook and they seem to pack a bit of fire, meant to be evil as guard dogs to

 

A growing number of cattle men in Australia are using kelpies as opposed to ACDs because of the "more respectful" way they work the cattle.

 

If you're in the business of producing cattle then you don't want them being constantly harassed and loosing condition. Some kelpies (and collies and ACDs) are able to "encourage" the cattle (or sheep for that matter) to move in a particular direction by subtle persuasion rather than brute force. However, as somebody mentioned above, you also need to educate the cattle to this method of work if they've been used to accepting a more direct approach. My current pup comes from a long line of cattle kelpies with about ten lines to one particularly renowned cattle working kelpie from the 80s.

There's a bloke with an ACD helps me with the sheep. She's nice and steady, not too hard on that stock at all. We're moving mobs of 200.

 

A rescue dog of unknown breeding she's no world beater, but definitely handy to have around. Certainly more use than my lab! I'll see if I can get a photo next time I'm out with him.

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One thing I've really noticed lately is how varied collies are. Im working three regular at the moment, often side by side and they have very different attitudes and temperaments. In the case of what I'm doing with them its great as they fulfil different roles. But only one out of three would I think be the right kind to produce a lurcher. The other two are physically sound and great in many ways but the third is just a much simpler, tougher animal who works in a direct and forceful manner with no backing down. Her role in the team is to course and catch individual sheep and single out and hold other animals. She will take a pounding with no reverse gear.

 

Very true Jai, the number of mentally stable collies get smaller and smaller each year. The last few years I have been doing a fair few jobs for smallholdings, and some of the mixed breed farm dogs that I have met on them has been an eye opener. they are "collie types" but few are pure bred.Terrier, GSD even labs have appeared in their dim and recent past. Whilst they are not the capable herding dogs that you would find on larger farms, they are however blessed with a more stable disposition. Capable of driving or holding sheep (not herding as such) but will tackle cattle, goats, pigs when needed. But not "wired", nervy or sensitive. A good splash of this type would have a lot to add to a line of lurchers.

 

[Omanyra 2,518]

 

 

 

 

 

Aye I'm of the thinking a bit is great, too much and ye may aswell have a saluki x lol

no chance. My dog is very collie in his make up, and he's been a total doddle to bring on n train and live with.

Had a pup recently with saluki in it, il never have saluki in a dog again. Had it 9 weeks and regimes it.

Well some folk get on with saluki like you get on I with collie. I think they both arse holes lol

i get on with a dog that wants to listen regardless of what's in it. I had a deer grey x collie grey, too look at it was a greyhound , temperament of a deerhound from what I could gather. Did everything in her own time, bit stubborn.

What are deerhound temps like Bill? Do they like doing this in their own time? Lol

Dont know how a thread on collie blood can drift once again to an attempt to undermine deerhounds..I rarely give any information on my dogs, or on the deerhound breed, but I will make this single exception, make the most of it, theyre will be no more..

I can only speak for the deerhounds that I had..Mine had great temps..and they did it in my time. I am a lurcherman who had a couple of deerhounds for a bit play around with and brought them up as lurchers, they killed rabbits by 10 months, they were coursing hares by 12-13 month, and were running in organised hare coursing events by 16 months..they slayed deer and completely inialated fox, they never jacked, quit, went in the huff or let me down. So temp wise, they were ok,

Even crosses off dogs of this calibre can be spoilt by putting the wrong dogs to them, thats why just a touch of collie works with them, stubborness I can assure you comes from the collie, not the deerhound, and as my learnered friend W Katchum states, the saluki would be just as bad.

i was just stating what I had before, I'm not comparing deerhound x to a collie x. Basically saying any cross can be a twat. All I hear is good about deer grey collie grey yet mine was a nightmare. Got something now, that if you listened to everything on here, should be a nightmare , and he's not. Anyway I'm off to kip, knackered!

 

 

Yeah matie..your right

seen some poor deerhound x greyhound x collie, never had one, but yes, defo seen some...