So Who Wants To Release Wolves Back In The Countryside ?

[Francie 6,368]

Good vid mush, rotties with long tails are better looking, why is there tails docked? Anyone know?

[walshie 2,804]

 

 

 

Doesn't matter what my point is does it? You're obviously the only one on this thread who's right and everyone else is an idiot.

ive not made anyone out to be an idiot and if I had id apologise, your trying to make me out as an idiot though, I asked if wolves really did have a bite force greater than a dog outside of head size and your input was "ones a wild animal ones not" well then thanks for clearing that up with your scientific reasoning.

Whatever you say.

like I said if you can point me to were I inferred anyones an idiot been rude or been anything other than polite and constructive ill apologise. Or is it that ive had the cheek to not agree with you or one of your chums you dont like?

 

until someone comes with some evidence or someone with greater knowledge/experience comes along to tje thread then all our opinions are as valid as anyone elses.

 

 

I didn't really want to carry this on...but...I didn't say you were rude. Your answers prove you think you're right and everyone else isn't. Like your rabbit comment for instance.

 

You're not comparing like with like. Obviously a wild mouse couldn't kill a domesticated cat. I'm saying that if it came to it and a 110lb truly wild wolf came up against a 110lb dog...domesticated but trained to be aggressive, the natural killer instinct of the wolf would prevail every time....in my opinion.

 

And even if someone with greater knowledge/experience does come along, unless they have pitted one against the other and seen the result, it's all hypothetical.

 

I hope this clarifies.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter what my point is does it? You're obviously the only one on this thread who's right and everyone else is an idiot.

ive not made anyone out to be an idiot and if I had id apologise, your trying to make me out as an idiot though, I asked if wolves really did have a bite force greater than a dog outside of head size and your input was "ones a wild animal ones not" well then thanks for clearing that up with your scientific reasoning.

Whatever you say.

like I said if you can point me to were I inferred anyones an idiot been rude or been anything other than polite and constructive ill apologise. Or is it that ive had the cheek to not agree with you or one of your chums you dont like?

 

until someone comes with some evidence or someone with greater knowledge/experience comes along to tje thread then all our opinions are as valid as anyone elses.

I didn't really want to carry this on...but...I didn't say you were rude. Your answers prove you think you're right and everyone else isn't. Like your rabbit comment for instance.

 

You're not comparing like with like. Obviously a wild mouse couldn't kill a domesticated cat. I'm saying that if it came to it and a 110lb truly wild wolf came up against a 110lb dog...domesticated but trained to be aggressive, the natural killer instinct of the wolf would prevail every time....in my opinion.

 

And even if someone with greater knowledge/experience does come along, unless they have pitted one against the other and seen the result, it's all hypothetical.

 

I hope this clarifies.

Thanks it clears the point you were trying to make originally a little, but I still cant see were I obviously think im right but heyho.

 

So to counter your argument why doesnt the foxes natural killer instinct not win through over a terrier everytime?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter what my point is does it? You're obviously the only one on this thread who's right and everyone else is an idiot.

ive not made anyone out to be an idiot and if I had id apologise, your trying to make me out as an idiot though, I asked if wolves really did have a bite force greater than a dog outside of head size and your input was "ones a wild animal ones not" well then thanks for clearing that up with your scientific reasoning.

Whatever you say.

like I said if you can point me to were I inferred anyones an idiot been rude or been anything other than polite and constructive ill apologise. Or is it that ive had the cheek to not agree with you or one of your chums you dont like?

until someone comes with some evidence or someone with greater knowledge/experience comes along to tje thread then all our opinions are as valid as anyone elses.

I didn't really want to carry this on...but...I didn't say you were rude. Your answers prove you think you're right and everyone else isn't. Like your rabbit comment for instance.

 

You're not comparing like with like. Obviously a wild mouse couldn't kill a domesticated cat. I'm saying that if it came to it and a 110lb truly wild wolf came up against a 110lb dog...domesticated but trained to be aggressive, the natural killer instinct of the wolf would prevail every time....in my opinion.

 

And even if someone with greater knowledge/experience does come along, unless they have pitted one against the other and seen the result, it's all hypothetical.

 

I hope this clarifies.

Thanks it clears the point you were trying to make originally a little, but I still cant see were I obviously think im right but heyho.

So to counter your argument why doesnt the foxes natural killer instinct not win through over a terrier everytime?

A fox is physically different to a wolf. A wolf has a bigger head, stronger jaws and bigger, thicker teeth proportionally to a dog.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter what my point is does it? You're obviously the only one on this thread who's right and everyone else is an idiot.

ive not made anyone out to be an idiot and if I had id apologise, your trying to make me out as an idiot though, I asked if wolves really did have a bite force greater than a dog outside of head size and your input was "ones a wild animal ones not" well then thanks for clearing that up with your scientific reasoning.

Whatever you say.

like I said if you can point me to were I inferred anyones an idiot been rude or been anything other than polite and constructive ill apologise. Or is it that ive had the cheek to not agree with you or one of your chums you dont like?

 

until someone comes with some evidence or someone with greater knowledge/experience comes along to tje thread then all our opinions are as valid as anyone elses.

I didn't really want to carry this on...but...I didn't say you were rude. Your answers prove you think you're right and everyone else isn't. Like your rabbit comment for instance.

 

You're not comparing like with like. Obviously a wild mouse couldn't kill a domesticated cat. I'm saying that if it came to it and a 110lb truly wild wolf came up against a 110lb dog...domesticated but trained to be aggressive, the natural killer instinct of the wolf would prevail every time....in my opinion.

 

And even if someone with greater knowledge/experience does come along, unless they have pitted one against the other and seen the result, it's all hypothetical.

 

I hope this clarifies.

Thanks it clears the point you were trying to make originally a little, but I still cant see were I obviously think im right but heyho.

 

So to counter your argument why doesnt the foxes natural killer instinct not win through over a terrier everytime?

Well I originally mentioned the bite power.....reason being I watched/ read about it somewhere. I never just dreamt it and thought this would be a good thread to tell my story.

I'm not quite sure why you have such a disbelief.....we are talking about a wild animal, an animal that has to catch and kill, crunch bone, flesh and tissue everytime it catches something. And has been forever.

To compare that to a common dog I see no point in.

Now I'm not saying that a proper bred heavy game dog could not hold its own with a wolf of similar size but the odds would be stacked against it from the start. But there will be times where the dog takes a hold and the wolf would be beaten.

[DogFox123 1,379]

A wolf intent on killing a dog is a completely different animal to one trying to fight it, same with big cats. Go watch clips of hungry Cougars taking dogs similar in size easily when hunting.

Edited October 27, 2015 by DogFox123

[bird 9,926]

One thing I'll say about the vid I posted up above is it's not a 30" Timber wolf but it is ,at a guess, a 60lb saluki.

 

 

 

If eventually the tree huggers do get to release Lupus Lupus on these shores some entrepreneur will be ahead of the game and start breeding Kangol's, LOL .

true ,there only small bit bigger than a jackal, so saluki of as you say 60-70lb would kill one, but no way the grey wolf /timber wolf like said there very big, dave sleight wrote about them in the edrd fewyears ago , he had a pic taken by one bloody big things as well

[Malt 379]

2 kangals protecting a flock will see a wolf or even wolves off and protect the flock, a sensible wolf will not get in to a death match with 2 dogs over a lamb, dog vs wolf in a fight where they are both intending to kill one another then IMO the wolfs got the advantage

There's also the human factor, the dogs have handlers with guns. Don't know how long but humans have been protecting their livestock from wolves for but its been thousands or years, plenty of time for Wolves to be wary about themselves when it comes to taking one. The longer they take to make a kill and the more noise they make doing it, the more chance a human is going to get involved and start shooting them. The wolves aint daft, if they come across dogs while attacking livestock there is a very high chance that humans ain't going to be too far away.

[air gun ant 1,666]

Good vid mush, rotties with long tails are better looking, why is there tails docked? Anyone know?

because they are just at the wrong hight for the coffee table

[DogFox123 1,379]

TOP 10 STRONGEST DOGS IN THE WORLD:

That video is baloney IMO.

[mushroom 12,998]

 

TOP 10 STRONGEST DOGS IN THE WORLD:

That video is baloney IMO.

That may well be true... May I ask your credentials that have led to you forming that opinion.

[air gun ant 1,666]

I must admit this has been a great thread so far

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

TOP 10 STRONGEST DOGS IN THE WORLD:

That video is baloney IMO.

That may well be true... May I ask your credentials that have led to you forming that opinion.

Plain old common sense, I've seen both breeds go at it. You believe a Kangal bite is over 3 times as powerful as a Pitbull?

 

May I ask who did this study and made this video?

[mushroom 12,998]

 

 

 

TOP 10 STRONGEST DOGS IN THE WORLD:

That video is baloney IMO.

That may well be true... May I ask your credentials that have led to you forming that opinion.

Plain old common sense, I've seen both breeds go at it. You believe a Kangal bite is over 3 times as powerful as a Pitbull?

 

May I ask who did this study and made this video?

I've no idea but I would guess a bite force pad attached to a pole and then said animal encouraged to bite down. I certainly wouldn't be using my guess to discredit what is probably a scientific study.

 

But your opinion must be absolute I guess

 

As for the kangal/pit question.... Why not The damage a pit does isn't from the bite it's mainly from the 20kg of pure muscle shaking behind the bite.

 

The above in no way concludes that a kangal has a bite force 3 times that of a pit!

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

TOP 10 STRONGEST DOGS IN THE WORLD:

That video is baloney IMO.

That may well be true... May I ask your credentials that have led to you forming that opinion.

Plain old common sense, I've seen both breeds go at it. You believe a Kangal bite is over 3 times as powerful as a Pitbull?

May I ask who did this study and made this video?

I've no idea but I would guess a bite force pad attached to a pole and then said animal encouraged to bite down. I certainly wouldn't be using my guess to discredit what is probably a scientific study.

But your opinion must be absolute I guess

As for the kangal/pit question.... Why not The damage a pit does isn't from the bite it's mainly from the 20kg of pure muscle shaking behind the bite.

The above in no way concludes that a kangal has a bite force 3 times that of a pit!

Or maybe it's a Kangal fanatic who made the video and no scientific study took place?

 

some Pits are crunchers who don't shake all too much, according to this video a Kangal bites over 3 times as hard. I've also seen a video where a Kangal pulls a tractor but you can clearly see it's being driven.