So Who Wants To Release Wolves Back In The Countryside ?

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

 

 

 

 

 

Do wolves really have this massive fabled bite force people talk about? Dogs and wolves are essentially the same thing so why would one have a stronger bite beyond any head/jaw size differences. Also if wolves are cleverer, stronger more stamina than any dogs weve bred that doesnt say much for our breeding skill eh.imo a big healthy mastiff or similar would wipe the floor with a wolf 1v1

They are not the same at all. Huge physical and physiological differences exist between the dog and the wolf. While we have refined the animal through selective breeding to make it more suitable to our purpose for it, it has also lost the things that make a wolf such a dangerous predator and give it the edge against a dog.

whatever we might have changed, we havent changed the laws of physics so a wolf skull made of the exact same muscle and bone tissue of a domestic dog still will have its bite force related to the size of its skull compared to said domestic dog and not some mythical jaw force no-one can explain.

They haven't got the same bone and muscle of a wolf though, the kit on a wolf is a lot bigger than a dog as well as its brain. You are thinking in terms of differences between dog breeds IMO, the wolf is a totally different kettle of fish to any of them.

since when?

So back to my original post after if the wolf has a better jaw is stronger,more wind, cleverer , better coat, thicker skin etc then what have we been doing for the last however thousands of years and how can hunters look down there noses at the KC if weve been ruining breeds( the wolf) since the year dot? Like I said I think a lot of whats wrote about wolves is hocuspocus the wolf is the ultimate canine allrounder whereas imo a large mastiff with a bigger head will bite harder, a greyhound run faster and a springer spaniel would have tougher skin

I'm basing my knowledge on a load of reading and watching documentaries over the years, it appears you are trying to use your own reasoning. There are also some American guys on here who hunt coyote with running dogs, and they have given their educated and experienced opinions on the wolf on here plenty of times when a post like yours has come up regarding hunting wolves with dogs..

well ive also watched all the documentries and read books and I dont remember any of them saying a wolfs bone and muscle were made of anything different than a domestic dog. One easy comparison we can all make is speed, and lo and behold the purpose bred from wolves domestic greyhound wins hands down.

 

Ah its just clicked one of the documentries you watched wasnt called xmen wolverine was it

[Welsh_red 4,654]

 

 

 

 

Do wolves really have this massive fabled bite force people talk about? Dogs and wolves are essentially the same thing so why would one have a stronger bite beyond any head/jaw size differences. Also if wolves are cleverer, stronger more stamina than any dogs weve bred that doesnt say much for our breeding skill eh.imo a big healthy mastiff or similar would wipe the floor with a wolf 1v1

They are not the same at all. Huge physical and physiological differences exist between the dog and the wolf. While we have refined the animal through selective breeding to make it more suitable to our purpose for it, it has also lost the things that make a wolf such a dangerous predator and give it the edge against a dog.

 

whatever we might have changed, we havent changed the laws of physics so a wolf skull made of the exact same muscle and bone tissue of a domestic dog still will have its bite force related to the size of its skull compared to said domestic dog and not some mythical jaw force no-one can explain.

 

They haven't got the same bone and muscle of a wolf though, the kit on a wolf is a lot bigger than a dog as well as its brain. You are thinking in terms of differences between dog breeds IMO, the wolf is a totally different kettle of fish to any of them.

 

since when?

 

So back to my original post after if the wolf has a better jaw is stronger,more wind, cleverer , better coat, thicker skin etc then what have we been doing for the last however thousands of years and how can hunters look down there noses at the KC if weve been ruining breeds( the wolf) since the year dot? Like I said I think a lot of whats wrote about wolves is hocuspocus the wolf is the ultimate canine allrounder whereas imo a large mastiff with a bigger head will bite harder, a greyhound run faster and a springer spaniel would have tougher skin

 

Knock me if im wrong but i see it like this , part of what makes a wolf such a great predator is the constant fear and struggle of life. Other wolves , hunger , injury etc all can finish a wolf off so the best bite would kill quicker and kill more . Id imagine those wolves would produce more pups and pass on the genetics of a better bite and all their attributes . You dont see a feeble pussy as the alpha male .

 

In a fight i would imagine the cleverness and fear of death of a wolf would win out , again i míght be wrong but if a single wound could eventually kill you in the wild then their fighting styles would be pretty defensive and their attack be very precise and straight for the kill expending as little energy as possible . If you live your life on a whim every bit of energy matters.

 

And i wouldnt say we have ruined the wolf from the word dot . The original dog/wolves that first became part of human life would have been the meekest of the bunch , and in those primal times any display of dominance would have been dealt with a sharp stick . So the "wildness" of the animal would have had to be bred out to accomplish anything with them otherwise youd wake up with half your camp dead. People look down on the KC because the breeding they push is shit for the dogs health .

[bird 9,942]

It amazes me when you hear so called experts measuring jaw pressure per square inch.

If you got 100 pit bulls you would get 100 different readings reading from both ends of the scale.

You could get a dog who'd bite through a girder and his brother wouldn't bite through a ham sandwich.

Another thing, when lads are talking about bite they nearly always mention bullmastiffs.

Ask anyone who knows about bite in dogs will tell you a long muzzle will always be stronger than short bulldogge type muzzle. It dispels the K.C. myth that the bulldog needs a short pug like muzzle for holding down a bull.

Look at the head of a crocodile.

The head and muzzle shape of a wolf IMO is perfect for a bone breaking bite.

true neil , regards biting power with long muzzles , a greyhound got very strong jaw, just look at them thin faced animals. ive had bull breeds,bullmastiffs,staffs,pits,all bite well and as you say (all) will bite with differnt levels ,manily because they want to. my dog now Buck 1x gsd xgrey, bloody hell mate, he got hell of a bite on him, he wont hurt a rabbit, but anything else he will wreck it. he killed a big feral tom cat, that was big stinky thing, he put it on the floor it had smashed ribs and neck,just from 2 bite marks . like you sayBuck bites like he does because he wants to true, yet he run off from a dog if it picked on him, he dont like fighting at all, but thank god he soft or he do alot of damage to any breed of dog, he might hold one wolf off for a bit, but even as strong as he is and his strong jaw , a wolf would be to much if it was bigger like them 11st timber wolves dont think any dog could kill unless say 3 dogs kangals to one wolf

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

 

 

It amazes me when you hear so called experts measuring jaw pressure per square inch.

If you got 100 pit bulls you would get 100 different readings reading from both ends of the scale.

You could get a dog who'd bite through a girder and his brother wouldn't bite through a ham sandwich.

Another thing, when lads are talking about bite they nearly always mention bullmastiffs.

Ask anyone who knows about bite in dogs will tell you a long muzzle will always be stronger than short bulldogge type muzzle. It dispels the K.C. myth that the bulldog needs a short pug like muzzle for holding down a bull.

Look at the head of a crocodile.

The head and muzzle shape of a wolf IMO is perfect for a bone breaking bite.

true neil , regards biting power with long muzzles , a greyhound got very strong jaw, just look at them thin faced animals. ive had bull breeds,bullmastiffs,staffs,pits,all bite well and as you say (all) will bite with differnt levels ,manily because they want to. my dog now Buck 1x gsd xgrey, bloody hell mate, he got hell of a bite on him, he wont hurt a rabbit, but anything else he will wreck it. he killed a big feral tom cat, that was big stinky thing, he put it on the floor it had smashed ribs and neck,just from 2 bite marks . like you sayBuck bites like he does because he wants to true, yet he run off from a dog if it picked on him, he dont like fighting at all, but thank god he soft or he do alot of damage to any breed of dog, he might hold one wolf off for a bit, but even as strong as he is and his strong jaw , a wolf would be to much if it was bigger like them 11st timber wolves dont think any dog could kill unless say 3 dogs kangals to one wolf

If it takes 3 kangals to see one wolf off then why the f**k would people use them to protect their flock? If people traditionally use a couple of these dogs to protect a flock then its fair to say a couple of dogs are capable of seeing anything other than the most determined/desperate pack of wolves off, if dogs are such an easy target for wolves then all these people wouldnt have bothered feeding them for hundreds of years.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

As for bite power/jaw length read up on fulcrums and levers etc but put it this way when your dogs chewing a bone were do they manoevre it for maximum force?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Do wolves really have this massive fabled bite force people talk about? Dogs and wolves are essentially the same thing so why would one have a stronger bite beyond any head/jaw size differences. Also if wolves are cleverer, stronger more stamina than any dogs weve bred that doesnt say much for our breeding skill eh.imo a big healthy mastiff or similar would wipe the floor with a wolf 1v1

They are not the same at all. Huge physical and physiological differences exist between the dog and the wolf. While we have refined the animal through selective breeding to make it more suitable to our purpose for it, it has also lost the things that make a wolf such a dangerous predator and give it the edge against a dog.

whatever we might have changed, we havent changed the laws of physics so a wolf skull made of the exact same muscle and bone tissue of a domestic dog still will have its bite force related to the size of its skull compared to said domestic dog and not some mythical jaw force no-one can explain.

They haven't got the same bone and muscle of a wolf though, the kit on a wolf is a lot bigger than a dog as well as its brain. You are thinking in terms of differences between dog breeds IMO, the wolf is a totally different kettle of fish to any of them.

A Wolf has stronger jaws than any dog P4P, they also have bigger stronger teeth.

[walshie 2,804]

To simplify: One is a wild animal. One isn't.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

A rabbits a wild animal aswell but no dog seems to struggle killing them.

[walshie 2,804]

A rabbits a wild animal aswell but no dog seems to struggle killing them.

 

Really?

[Welsh_red 4,654]

A rabbits a wild animal aswell but no dog seems to struggle killing them.

Now i know your on a wind up

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

To simplify: One is a wild animal. One isn't.

Dump your lurchers lads, tell the fox packs to give up and you terrier lads chuck the spades in the bin, dogs no match for a wild animal

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

Not one shred of evidence for any of your claims about wolfs having stronger jaws p4p, wolfs are wild animals therefore dogs dont stand a chance and two people arguing against the laws of physics, and im the one on a wind up. Ok

[air gun ant 1,666]

2 kangals protecting a flock will see a wolf or even wolves off and protect the flock, a sensible wolf will not get in to a death match with 2 dogs over a lamb, dog vs wolf in a fight where they are both intending to kill one another then IMO the wolfs got the advantage

[walshie 2,804]

 

To simplify: One is a wild animal. One isn't.

Dump your lurchers lads, tell the fox packs to give up and you terrier lads chuck the spades in the bin, dogs no match for a wild animal

 

 

Wind your neck in mate. You know exactly what i meant.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

2 kangals protecting a flock will see a wolf or even wolves off and protect the flock, a sensible wolf will not get in to a death match with 2 dogs over a lamb, dog vs wolf in a fight where they are both intending to kill one another then IMO the wolfs got the advantage

Well exactly my point mainly, if dogs were such a walkover as most here would have you believe they wouldnt be much deterrent at all. The fact wolves on the whole wont mix it with a dog proves they arent a walkover and bear in mind ive seen wolves bring bison down on the beeb theyre not afraid of risking injury for a meal. So ill go back to my first point 1 fully grown 110lb timberwolf v 1 fully grown fit mastiff bull etc type an youve a close call. One 110lb timber wolf v 1 fully grown fir instance 150lb dogo and youve a dead wolf. 10 wolves and 1 dogo youve a dead dogo.