Born Hunter 17,783 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Just checked timber wolves are around 110lb so a big dog considering it will be in good condition. Ive never seen a 110lb bullx but judging from the 80lbish ones ive seen nothing on planet earth around a similar size would have an easy time with 110lb bullx and a smaller wolf say 70lb wouldnt stand a chance. Sorted then fella, maybe you should let the yanks know..... id imagine they already do know, not seen any clips of a dogo getting dragged off by a lone wolf Proof then, eh. LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Why is everything on here compared to a bullx ffs! Hahahaha......... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Well I used it for comparison as they are as far as ive seen the largest most powerful dog that still gets used to kill wild animals in this country, what should I compare it to? A jack russell? Or some foreign breed ive never clapped eyes on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Just checked timber wolves are around 110lb so a big dog considering it will be in good condition. Ive never seen a 110lb bullx but judging from the 80lbish ones ive seen nothing on planet earth around a similar size would have an easy time with 110lb bullx and a smaller wolf say 70lb wouldnt stand a chance. Sorted then fella, maybe you should let the yanks know..... id imagine they already do know, not seen any clips of a dogo getting dragged off by a lone wolf Proof then, eh. LOL proof of what? Im just putting my opinion forward, not trying to prove anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Do wolves really have this massive fabled bite force people talk about? Dogs and wolves are essentially the same thing so why would one have a stronger bite beyond any head/jaw size differences. Also if wolves are cleverer, stronger more stamina than any dogs weve bred that doesnt say much for our breeding skill eh.imo a big healthy mastiff or similar would wipe the floor with a wolf 1v1They are not the same at all. Huge physical and physiological differences exist between the dog and the wolf. While we have refined the animal through selective breeding to make it more suitable to our purpose for it, it has also lost the things that make a wolf such a dangerous predator and give it the edge against a dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Well I used it for comparison as they are as far as ive seen the largest most powerful dog that still gets used to kill wild animals in this country, what should I compare it to? A jack russell? Or some foreign breed ive never clapped eyes on. Depends on the breeding pal.......it would have to be the right line bred, 10th generation, only in the right circles blah blah blah blah fcuking blah blah blah yaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwn! ;-) Edited October 27, 2015 by Accip74 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Did (the original) Irish wolfhounds ever have dealings with wolves? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Do wolves really have this massive fabled bite force people talk about? Dogs and wolves are essentially the same thing so why would one have a stronger bite beyond any head/jaw size differences. Also if wolves are cleverer, stronger more stamina than any dogs weve bred that doesnt say much for our breeding skill eh.imo a big healthy mastiff or similar would wipe the floor with a wolf 1v1They are not the same at all. Huge physical and physiological differences exist between the dog and the wolf. While we have refined the animal through selective breeding to make it more suitable to our purpose for it, it has also lost the things that make a wolf such a dangerous predator and give it the edge against a dog. whatever we might have changed, we havent changed the laws of physics so a wolf skull made of the exact same muscle and bone tissue of a domestic dog still will have its bite force related to the size of its skull compared to said domestic dog and not some mythical jaw force no-one can explain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Did (the original) Irish wolfhounds ever have dealings with wolves?They were miles apart from the breed today, probably a lot closer in build and nature to the actual wolf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Do wolves really have this massive fabled bite force people talk about? Dogs and wolves are essentially the same thing so why would one have a stronger bite beyond any head/jaw size differences. Also if wolves are cleverer, stronger more stamina than any dogs weve bred that doesnt say much for our breeding skill eh.imo a big healthy mastiff or similar would wipe the floor with a wolf 1v1They are not the same at all. Huge physical and physiological differences exist between the dog and the wolf. While we have refined the animal through selective breeding to make it more suitable to our purpose for it, it has also lost the things that make a wolf such a dangerous predator and give it the edge against a dog.whatever we might have changed, we havent changed the laws of physics so a wolf skull made of the exact same muscle and bone tissue of a domestic dog still will have its bite force related to the size of its skull compared to said domestic dog and not some mythical jaw force no-one can explain.They haven't got the same bone and muscle of a wolf though, the kit on a wolf is a lot bigger than a dog as well as its brain. You are thinking in terms of differences between dog breeds IMO, the wolf is a totally different kettle of fish to any of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Do wolves really have this massive fabled bite force people talk about? Dogs and wolves are essentially the same thing so why would one have a stronger bite beyond any head/jaw size differences. Also if wolves are cleverer, stronger more stamina than any dogs weve bred that doesnt say much for our breeding skill eh.imo a big healthy mastiff or similar would wipe the floor with a wolf 1v1They are not the same at all. Huge physical and physiological differences exist between the dog and the wolf. While we have refined the animal through selective breeding to make it more suitable to our purpose for it, it has also lost the things that make a wolf such a dangerous predator and give it the edge against a dog.whatever we might have changed, we havent changed the laws of physics so a wolf skull made of the exact same muscle and bone tissue of a domestic dog still will have its bite force related to the size of its skull compared to said domestic dog and not some mythical jaw force no-one can explain.They haven't got the same bone and muscle of a wolf though, the kit on a wolf is a lot bigger than a dog as well as its brain. You are thinking in terms of differences between dog breeds IMO, the wolf is a totally different kettle of fish to any of them. since when? So back to my original post after if the wolf has a better jaw is stronger,more wind, cleverer , better coat, thicker skin etc then what have we been doing for the last however thousands of years and how can hunters look down there noses at the KC if weve been ruining breeds( the wolf) since the year dot? Like I said I think a lot of whats wrote about wolves is hocuspocus the wolf is the ultimate canine allrounder whereas imo a large mastiff with a bigger head will bite harder, a greyhound run faster and a springer spaniel would have tougher skin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Did (the original) Irish wolfhounds ever have dealings with wolves? Historically, plenty of dogs are reported to have been used to hunt wolves. But usually in small packs and with high hound mortality rates. You can kill just about anything if you fire enough stuff into it.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil cooney 10,416 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 The original Irish Wolfhound is extinct and was recreated using deerhound, mastiff and other blood to give us the giant we have today and many Irish legends tell us that they were equal to two men in battle. Maybe the enemy didn't have swords and spears. The last wolf was killed in Carlow if I remember correctly by a Wolfhound. Wasn't the last Scottish wolf killed by a deerhound ? Also, isn't there a youtube video of a Saluki killing a wolf ? I know there's a few other Saluki's standing around backing him up but only one dog get's involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Do wolves really have this massive fabled bite force people talk about? Dogs and wolves are essentially the same thing so why would one have a stronger bite beyond any head/jaw size differences. Also if wolves are cleverer, stronger more stamina than any dogs weve bred that doesnt say much for our breeding skill eh.imo a big healthy mastiff or similar would wipe the floor with a wolf 1v1They are not the same at all. Huge physical and physiological differences exist between the dog and the wolf. While we have refined the animal through selective breeding to make it more suitable to our purpose for it, it has also lost the things that make a wolf such a dangerous predator and give it the edge against a dog.whatever we might have changed, we havent changed the laws of physics so a wolf skull made of the exact same muscle and bone tissue of a domestic dog still will have its bite force related to the size of its skull compared to said domestic dog and not some mythical jaw force no-one can explain.They haven't got the same bone and muscle of a wolf though, the kit on a wolf is a lot bigger than a dog as well as its brain. You are thinking in terms of differences between dog breeds IMO, the wolf is a totally different kettle of fish to any of them. since when? So back to my original post after if the wolf has a better jaw is stronger,more wind, cleverer , better coat, thicker skin etc then what have we been doing for the last however thousands of years and how can hunters look down there noses at the KC if weve been ruining breeds( the wolf) since the year dot? Like I said I think a lot of whats wrote about wolves is hocuspocus the wolf is the ultimate canine allrounder whereas imo a large mastiff with a bigger head will bite harder, a greyhound run faster and a springer spaniel would have tougher skin I'm basing my knowledge on a load of reading and watching documentaries over the years, it appears you are trying to use your own reasoning. There are also some American guys on here who hunt coyote with running dogs, and they have given their educated and experienced opinions on the wolf on here plenty of times when a post like yours has come up regarding hunting wolves with dogs.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil cooney 10,416 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 It amazes me when you hear so called experts measuring jaw pressure per square inch. If you got 100 pit bulls you would get 100 different readings reading from both ends of the scale. You could get a dog who'd bite through a girder and his brother wouldn't bite through a ham sandwich. Another thing, when lads are talking about bite they nearly always mention bullmastiffs. Ask anyone who knows about bite in dogs will tell you a long muzzle will always be stronger than short bulldogge type muzzle. It dispels the K.C. myth that the bulldog needs a short pug like muzzle for holding down a bull. Look at the head of a crocodile. The head and muzzle shape of a wolf IMO is perfect for a bone breaking bite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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