So Who Wants To Release Wolves Back In The Countryside ?

[mushroom 13,256]

OK mate.

 

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

[DogFox123 1,379]

OK mate.

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

Maybe they have but I doubt they are that much stronger, some Pits with smaller heads bite a hell of a lot harder than bigger dogs. The saying in the game "Dogs bite hard because they want to."

[Lab 10,979]

 

OK mate.

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

Maybe they have but I doubt they are that much stronger, some Pits with smaller heads bite a hell of a lot harder than bigger dogs. The saying in the game "Dogs bite hard because they want to."

I bet Big Vlad hits harder than Mayweather but I'd really not fancy a punch in the puss of any of them. I think the point I'm making is when you have 2 strong dogs with intent to harm both will do serious damage but the bigger of the 2 will have the more natural power.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter what my point is does it? You're obviously the only one on this thread who's right and everyone else is an idiot.

ive not made anyone out to be an idiot and if I had id apologise, your trying to make me out as an idiot though, I asked if wolves really did have a bite force greater than a dog outside of head size and your input was "ones a wild animal ones not" well then thanks for clearing that up with your scientific reasoning.

Whatever you say.

like I said if you can point me to were I inferred anyones an idiot been rude or been anything other than polite and constructive ill apologise. Or is it that ive had the cheek to not agree with you or one of your chums you dont like?

 

until someone comes with some evidence or someone with greater knowledge/experience comes along to tje thread then all our opinions are as valid as anyone elses.

I didn't really want to carry this on...but...I didn't say you were rude. Your answers prove you think you're right and everyone else isn't. Like your rabbit comment for instance.

 

You're not comparing like with like. Obviously a wild mouse couldn't kill a domesticated cat. I'm saying that if it came to it and a 110lb truly wild wolf came up against a 110lb dog...domesticated but trained to be aggressive, the natural killer instinct of the wolf would prevail every time....in my opinion.

 

And even if someone with greater knowledge/experience does come along, unless they have pitted one against the other and seen the result, it's all hypothetical.

 

I hope this clarifies.

Thanks it clears the point you were trying to make originally a little, but I still cant see were I obviously think im right but heyho.

 

So to counter your argument why doesnt the foxes natural killer instinct not win through over a terrier everytime?

Well I originally mentioned the bite power.....reason being I watched/ read about it somewhere. I never just dreamt it and thought this would be a good thread to tell my story.

I'm not quite sure why you have such a disbelief.....we are talking about a wild animal, an animal that has to catch and kill, crunch bone, flesh and tissue everytime it catches something. And has been forever.

To compare that to a common dog I see no point in.

Now I'm not saying that a proper bred heavy game dog could not hold its own with a wolf of similar size but the odds would be stacked against it from the start. But there will be times where the dog takes a hold and the wolf would be beaten.

 

 

I reckon there's loads of dogs out there that could kill a wolf,probably none of them could get near the wolf unless it decided it wanted to fight and they'd all probably be too stupid/hard headed to realise if they were going to get trapped and have a whole pack jump on them.

 

I think that's why mastiffs and livestock guardians tend to be sensible,no need to rush in when barking and showing some presence will be enough 99% of the time to scare off the threat.

 

The thing is though dogs can't lie,if the big dogs a shithouse it can't bluff that it's anything else,and certainly not to another canine,so that's why the shepherd breeds are still courageous dogs despite not often having to prove it imo

[bird 9,984]

 

 

OK mate.

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

Maybe they have but I doubt they are that much stronger, some Pits with smaller heads bite a hell of a lot harder than bigger dogs. The saying in the game "Dogs bite hard because they want to."

I bet Big Vlad hits harder than Mayweather but I'd really not fancy a punch in the puss of any of them. I think the point I'm making is when you have 2 strong dogs with intent to harm both will do serious damage but the bigger of the 2 will have the more natural power.

 

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

OK mate.

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

Maybe they have but I doubt they are that much stronger, some Pits with smaller heads bite a hell of a lot harder than bigger dogs. The saying in the game "Dogs bite hard because they want to."

I bet Big Vlad hits harder than Mayweather but I'd really not fancy a punch in the puss of any of them. I think the point I'm making is when you have 2 strong dogs with intent to harm both will do serious damage but the bigger of the 2 will have the more natural power.

Power doesn't equate to bite strength though does it? Smaller Pitbulls have had harder mouths than other bigger dogs of the same breed.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

OK mate.

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

Maybe they have but I doubt they are that much stronger, some Pits with smaller heads bite a hell of a lot harder than bigger dogs. The saying in the game "Dogs bite hard because they want to."

I bet Big Vlad hits harder than Mayweather but I'd really not fancy a punch in the puss of any of them. I think the point I'm making is when you have 2 strong dogs with intent to harm both will do serious damage but the bigger of the 2 will have the more natural power.

 

 

What would you rather have trying to chew your face off,a 50 pound pitbull or a 100 pound lab?

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

OK mate.

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

Maybe they have but I doubt they are that much stronger, some Pits with smaller heads bite a hell of a lot harder than bigger dogs. The saying in the game "Dogs bite hard because they want to."

I bet Big Vlad hits harder than Mayweather but I'd really not fancy a punch in the puss of any of them. I think the point I'm making is when you have 2 strong dogs with intent to harm both will do serious damage but the bigger of the 2 will have the more natural power.

Power doesn't equate to bite strength though does it? Smaller Pitbulls have had harder mouths than other bigger dogs of the same breed.

Genuinely I don't know, but how do you know they had better bite power?

[mushroom 13,256]

You need to read a bit mate all predators bite force is relevant to 1. Skull size and shape (muscle anchor points) 2. muscle mass and less importantly 3. the length and shape of the muzzle. So an animal with a skull twice the size of a pit's and a square long muzzle is gonna have a far bigger bite force.

 

For example salt water crocs if you take 10 crocs each a year older than the last. The oldest and biggest is gonna have the bigger bite. A hyena pound for pound has the strongest bite force in the animal kingdon. look at the size of their heads smaller than a lion's but with one important difference... They have a huge anchor ridge for muscles to attache to and pull against which lions don't have. This gives the hyena almost double the jaw power of a fully grown adult male lion

[neil cooney 10,416]

Just my take on things.

Over the years where wolves have been hunted they've learned to respect humans accompanied by dogs.

So the breeds that have been used over the years to guard flocks have firstly been reared and bred to mingle with the sheep and goats and secondly been bred to intimidate wolves and other predators.

Conflict, hopefully wouldn't come into it.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

OK mate.

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

Maybe they have but I doubt they are that much stronger, some Pits with smaller heads bite a hell of a lot harder than bigger dogs. The saying in the game "Dogs bite hard because they want to."

I bet Big Vlad hits harder than Mayweather but I'd really not fancy a punch in the puss of any of them. I think the point I'm making is when you have 2 strong dogs with intent to harm both will do serious damage but the bigger of the 2 will have the more natural power.

Power doesn't equate to bite strength though does it? Smaller Pitbulls have had harder mouths than other bigger dogs of the same breed.

Genuinely I don't know, but how do you know they had better bite power?

I think it's pretty clear to see which dogs have more bite power, hell you can even tell with Lurchers and Terriers. Go read up on the APBT, some dogs look like they couldn't bite their way out of a wet paper bag yet are bone crunchers. Edited October 27, 2015 by DogFox123

[VOON 1,317]

Flipping heck

 

http://www.irelandswildlife.com/grey-wolf-re-introduction-ireland/

[DogFox123 1,379]

You need to read a bit mate all predators bite force is relevant to 1. Skull size and shape (muscle anchor points) 2. muscle mass and less importantly 3. the length and shape of the muzzle. So an animal with a skull twice the size of a pit's and a square long muzzle is gonna have a far bigger bite force.

For example salt water crocs if you take 10 crocs each a year older than the last. The oldest and biggest is gonna have the bigger bite. A hyena pound for pound has the strongest bite force in the animal kingdon. look at the size of their heads smaller than a lion's but with one important difference... They have a huge anchor ridge for muscles to attache to and pull against which lions don't have. This gives the hyena almost double the jaw power of a fully grown adult male lion

So how do you explain smaller Pits having a bigger bite force than larger dogs? A Hyena and Lion are two completely different animals though.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

OK mate.

Tbh I couldn't give a fook a kangal having bigger head/jaws etc is logically gonna have a bigger bite force

Maybe they have but I doubt they are that much stronger, some Pits with smaller heads bite a hell of a lot harder than bigger dogs. The saying in the game "Dogs bite hard because they want to."

I bet Big Vlad hits harder than Mayweather but I'd really not fancy a punch in the puss of any of them. I think the point I'm making is when you have 2 strong dogs with intent to harm both will do serious damage but the bigger of the 2 will have the more natural power.

Power doesn't equate to bite strength though does it? Smaller Pitbulls have had harder mouths than other bigger dogs of the same breed.

Genuinely I don't know, but how do you know they had better bite power?

I think it's pretty clear to see which dogs have more bite power, hell you can even tell with Lurchers and Terriers. Go read up on the APBT, some dogs look like they couldn't bite their way out of a wet paper bag yet are bone crunchers.

No doubt it would be a very interesting read....but the little I do know I'm pretty sure technique and gameness factors lots in these top dogs.

[Tiercel 6,986]

What you have all been arguing about with the power of the bite is all irrelevant. As it is the type of bite inflicted as opposed to the power of the bite that is effective.

 

TC