Guest Ditch_Shitter Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Young man shoots well with ye Lightening, Jules. He's shown that. I myself smoke through Rizla King Size Slim Blue papers. Would ye expect to find me here, asking what other papers I might try; Being as how I find these ones perfect for me? I too wish I'd ever had an auntie like you. What a shining example ye are! Now, here's why I'm here, right? The young man's just that. Young. His muscles haven't hardened yet and he has his own little disadvantage there 'Still Hunting', as ye plan for him, will likely consist of mainly prone shooting. That's great. But it'll also involve a fair ammount of either training that rifle on the Kill Zone, or else a fair bit of shuffling about as he gets ready to line up that deadly eye of his. Movement ..... Bi Pod's the 'obvious' answer. But pods are expensive and ye ground's often sandy, yeah? I can just see those little rubber feet sinking and shifting. Horror! So here's what I'm sitting here Thinking. (Yes: I'm sat inside my cottage. Yes: I'm enjoying my Jack Daniels ration. No: I've never tried this. So let the 'experts' tear me a new one. But .....) How about a block of polistyrene shoved inside one of these drab green " Stuff Sacks " ye can pick up for a couple of quid in any camping / gov. surplus / S.A.S Equipe shop these days? Just strikes me it'll give the guy a light, manageable, stable fore end rest, what ever the ground conditions. If he's wearing a cotton jacket, there'll be no appreciable sound from either the nylon on poly, nor the cotton on nylon. What there should be is a nice, stable base that he can wriggle into the most shifting surface, well in advance of the cabaret. Then lay his rifle over, to support the weight, while he lays prone and shouldered, waiting. Minimal weight or incumberance to fetch along. Minimum strain involved in maintaning the sort of firing base the Range allowed him. Minimum strain on those younger arms while he waits. Minimum movement at the shot. Food for thought? Quote Link to post
Graham 87 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 hi there i have a young cousin that started out quite the same and took us some time to find him the right gun but eventually we got him one of those BSA Ultras ive personally never used it ut been told they are kinda of ok for a young beginer small and light but then there is the money side but atleast if you get him one of these he wont be in a hurry for a new 1 any time soon as it should last quite a while hope this helps Quote Link to post
rob reynolds uk 3 Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 AIR ARMS S200 CRACKING LITTLE GUN WITH FULL KNOCK DOWN POWER EVERY TIME Quote Link to post
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 shooting a spring gun while resting it on anything solid that includes a bipod, will make it jump about.if your hitting the target as soon as you dont use the rest your zero will be miles out. Quote Link to post
Bowman 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 The bsa meateor only does 8ft/lbs, so it wouldnt be powerful enough for bunnies im affraid! Depends how close a hunter can get sam, dont forget field craft. BSA Meteor, 15 yds with open sights was how I started. Quote Link to post
Bowman 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Who says you got to walk miles!? Whatever he feels comfortable shooting, keeping weight within certain sensible limits, he can have a pick of so many rifles. A meteor at 8 to 10 flbs is perfect for bunnies if you remember just one of the other rules of shooting live quarry, fieldcraft. A gunslip or sling keeps arms free and unstressed until you sight, then manouver yoself near enough to ready yoself for a kill. My 1st kill was at 5 yds w/ a meteor after a long crawl behind a bank and a shot through cover. took 1/2 hour to get it, with no other way about it, but its the shot I still recall now clear as day. Quote Link to post
Bowman 0 Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 the first gun my old man bought me when i was a kid was an ASI CF16 then he got me a BSA Meteor Super....but i'll still peferred to sneak out with his Original 52, or his HW 77 when he was at work...even though i could barely lift either of them lol....if i was going to buy a gun for a junior now...i'd go for a BSA lightening...or an Air Arms S200 if they wanted a pre charged . I would tend to agree, many of the tools mentioned so far here are not exactly light. 12 year olds are getting bigger these days but the last thing you want is his arms falling off after walking the fields for an hour or 2. The Lightening and S200 are good tools , check out the Gamo range as well (Gamo & BSA are more than a little in bed together these days). Lots of good second hand kit about as well. All this is still going to be a very personal choice, but I would suggest you stay away from the £30 full power precision hunting equipment complete with scope etc etc ...........MADE IN CHINA!!! Deker Thanks for all the replies! My nephew is also diabetic and cant do so much running around with a heavy rifle ive got some great permission where we can hide out and shoot the rabbits (Luckily) he's talked about nothing else since I took him to the rifle range and he cant wait to go and shoot rabbits! To me thats an interest that should be encouraged and I cant wait to take him - he's a better shot than me Ive decided to share my BSA xl lightning with him til christmas then he'll have his own on christmas day I'll post some pics when I take him out (Soon hopefully!) and thanks again for all the replies and advice. let us know what you get him cuz. Quote Link to post
brownie 0 Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 i would say a bsa metor i use one of them and i am 13 its a well good gun and you can pick one up all day long for about 100 puund. i do not have trouble knocking animals down from 30 yards. Quote Link to post
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 HW99 are as light as the bsa and the triggers way way better and it will last him yrs and there full power Quote Link to post
stork 1 Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 My nephew has been nagging at me for ages to take him out shooting rabbits. I decided that I'd take him to the rifle range on saturday to see what he was like with my BSA XL lightning. After about 5 or 6 shots he was spinning spoons at 35 yards!! Then the men at the range were giving him 'Challenges' to hit certain objects and he didnt miss one! I was both stunned and chuffed! He really seemed to enjoy himself and was very sensible with the rifle - putting it on safety every time he passed it to me So, Im definately going to take him shooting rabbits on my permission and I'd quite like to get him a rifle for christmas. Mine seemed a little bit heavy for him, so, any suggestions as to what I should get him? Cheers all. Air Arms s200 standard 12f/lb its light in weight easy to use and dose the job at 40 yards on rats and rabbits £120-160 Quote Link to post
wardman 49 Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 s200 at £120-£160? you get me one at that price mate and ill snap your arms off for it and yes like alot of the lads have been sayin get a bsa meteor wont go far wrong Quote Link to post
stork 1 Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 s200 at £120-£160? you get me one at that price mate and ill snap your arms off for it and yes like alot of the lads have been sayin get a bsa meteor wont go far wrong Thats what i paid for mine in jan 2007 and i gat a scope a moderator for £215 kibworth gun Quote Link to post
shoota 0 Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 i got my first air rifle at 13 yrs old i got a weirauch hw 99s i just traded that in for a air arms my old gun was an exelent gun never had 1 problem with it and was a good light accurate gun you are looking at around £200 for the gun scope bag pellets ect. Quote Link to post
lampingboy 221 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) My nephew has been nagging at me for ages to take him out shooting rabbits. I decided that I'd take him to the rifle range on saturday to see what he was like with my BSA XL lightning. After about 5 or 6 shots he was spinning spoons at 35 yards!! Then the men at the range were giving him 'Challenges' to hit certain objects and he didnt miss one! I was both stunned and chuffed! He really seemed to enjoy himself and was very sensible with the rifle - putting it on safety every time he passed it to me So, Im definately going to take him shooting rabbits on my permission and I'd quite like to get him a rifle for christmas. Mine seemed a little bit heavy for him, so, any suggestions as to what I should get him? Cheers all. MY DAD JUST BOUGHT ME AN AIR ARMS S410 CARBINE IM THE SAME AGE AS YOUR NEPHEW GOOD THING IS ..... IS THAT ITS REALLY LIGHT NICE LOOKING TO BUT MIGHT BE OUT OF YOUR PRICE RANGE IT WAS £575 WITH walnut stock, GUN SLIP, SCOPE, 2 TINS OF PELLETS, MAGAZINE, SILENCER AND LOADS OF TARGETS Edited December 27, 2007 by lampingboy Quote Link to post
jultaylor1972 2 Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Thanks for all the replies guys!! Ive managed to get him a BSA XL lightening sorted and he cant wait to get it. Like Ditchy said; if he can manage with one of those then why try a different one? Now we wont have to fight over whose turn it is! Quote Link to post
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