Hancock Dogs

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

I don't have a huge experience of Hancock dogs. . . . . but for what it's worth, here's my tuppence worth.

 

Ive only seen (I think) three dogs from his kennels work. The one was a long time ago, and I helped a lad enter it. I don't remember much, but it was a half decent dog. The other two, I have had a lot more to do with, and seem come on. Both are owned by friends, and members on here, and both have posted about their dogs in this thread.

 

Now I will say this, both dogs look to have all of the right bits in all of the right places. They seem to be able to do everything a lurcher should. But there is something missing, hard to put your finger on quite, but that thing that just makes an animal wed to it's work. They seem to lack that drive that makes an dog know from day one that it wants to chase and catch game. Sure, they will chase, but they don't seem to 'want' it quite the same as one would hope.

 

It's not a very big survey, so it may well be miles off the mark, but I really think that its got something to do with being bred off parents that whilst they may be well put together etc etc, have not been out hunting, catching and killing. You can breed a dog that looks just like a lurcher, you can do that without ever running anything. But its a lot harder to breed that heart, soul and mind into a beast, without testing its attitude and mindset in the field.

 

Obviously some dogs will be very good, as said, if you breed enough collie and greyhounds together, you will always end up with some decent dogs. But it's not how i'd do it, and its not where i'd go to get a pup.

 

If I wanted a collie x, i'd always go for some kind of line bred collie lurcher thing. And if I was desperate for a 1st x, i'd go and breed my own. I'm lucky enough to have access to a wide range of very handy collies. . . . . . so it'd just be finding the running dog blood. If I was going to do it, I know of a very handy collie that regularly kills foxes, as well as working 1000's of sheep, and I know some very good kelpie x collie dogs that have a good bit of bite to them. I'd stick one of these over either a working grew, or if possible a working greyhound. But you've got to get the right kind of collie!

 

Just my thoughts.

Quality post that.

 

That "thing" you talk about. Hard to put into words. I call it the "x factor". Some dogs have just got it. Some haven't and won't ever have.

[LOL 212]

Had a 3/4 bred hankock dog back in 1997 out of shooting news not bad on hare but had bad feet

[Dewclaw69 484]

 

I don't have a huge experience of Hancock dogs. . . . . but for what it's worth, here's my tuppence worth.

 

Ive only seen (I think) three dogs from his kennels work. The one was a long time ago, and I helped a lad enter it. I don't remember much, but it was a half decent dog. The other two, I have had a lot more to do with, and seem come on. Both are owned by friends, and members on here, and both have posted about their dogs in this thread.

 

Now I will say this, both dogs look to have all of the right bits in all of the right places. They seem to be able to do everything a lurcher should. But there is something missing, hard to put your finger on quite, but that thing that just makes an animal wed to it's work. They seem to lack that drive that makes an dog know from day one that it wants to chase and catch game. Sure, they will chase, but they don't seem to 'want' it quite the same as one would hope.

 

It's not a very big survey, so it may well be miles off the mark, but I really think that its got something to do with being bred off parents that whilst they may be well put together etc etc, have not been out hunting, catching and killing. You can breed a dog that looks just like a lurcher, you can do that without ever running anything. But its a lot harder to breed that heart, soul and mind into a beast, without testing its attitude and mindset in the field.

 

Obviously some dogs will be very good, as said, if you breed enough collie and greyhounds together, you will always end up with some decent dogs. But it's not how i'd do it, and its not where i'd go to get a pup.

 

If I wanted a collie x, i'd always go for some kind of line bred collie lurcher thing. And if I was desperate for a 1st x, i'd go and breed my own. I'm lucky enough to have access to a wide range of very handy collies. . . . . . so it'd just be finding the running dog blood. If I was going to do it, I know of a very handy collie that regularly kills foxes, as well as working 1000's of sheep, and I know some very good kelpie x collie dogs that have a good bit of bite to them. I'd stick one of these over either a working grew, or if possible a working greyhound. But you've got to get the right kind of collie!

 

Just my thoughts.

Quality post that.

 

That "thing" you talk about. Hard to put into words. I call it the "x factor". Some dogs have just got it. Some haven't and won't ever have.

 

i think you're both right on that. And its not equally spread around litters either. Some dogs just seem to have that extra something.

[Dewclaw69 484]

Had a 3/4 bred hankock dog back in 1997 out of shooting news not bad on hare but had bad feet

what was the dog's name ? the lad i knew with a class hancock dog was from your neck of the woods.

[torchey 1,327]

I don't have a huge experience of Hancock dogs. . . . . but for what it's worth, here's my tuppence worth.

 

Ive only seen (I think) three dogs from his kennels work. The one was a long time ago, and I helped a lad enter it. I don't remember much, but it was a half decent dog. The other two, I have had a lot more to do with, and seem come on. Both are owned by friends, and members on here, and both have posted about their dogs in this thread.

 

Now I will say this, both dogs look to have all of the right bits in all of the right places. They seem to be able to do everything a lurcher should. But there is something missing, hard to put your finger on quite, but that thing that just makes an animal wed to it's work. They seem to lack that drive that makes an dog know from day one that it wants to chase and catch game. Sure, they will chase, but they don't seem to 'want' it quite the same as one would hope.

 

 

 

It's not a very big survey, so it may well be miles off the mark, but I really think that its got something to do with being bred off parents that whilst they may be well put together etc etc, have not been out hunting, catching and killing. You can breed a dog that looks just like a lurcher, you can do that without ever running anything. But its a lot harder to breed that heart, soul and mind into a beast, without testing its attitude and mindset in the field.

 

Obviously some dogs will be very good, as said, if you breed enough collie and greyhounds together, you will always end up with some decent dogs. But it's not how i'd do it, and its not where i'd go to get a pup.

 

If I wanted a collie x, i'd always go for some kind of line bred collie lurcher thing. And if I was desperate for a 1st x, i'd go and breed my own. I'm lucky enough to have access to a wide range of very handy collies. . . . . . so it'd just be finding the running dog blood. If I was going to do it, I know of a very handy collie that regularly kills foxes, as well as working 1000's of sheep, and I know some very good kelpie x collie dogs that have a good bit of bite to them. I'd stick one of these over either a working grew, or if possible a working greyhound. But you've got to get the right kind of collie!

 

Just my thoughts.

 

My older dog is a hancock and he,s never lacked drive, his speed and strike when he was younger was a pleasure to watch..the other dog i,ve got is out of him and a suluki x bitch and he will give as much in his last run as he does on the first and he has run til he dropped.....

[LOL 212]

To dewclaw the bitchs name was kim

[stealthy1 3,964]

If you breed from tired puppy factory bitches, you can only expect tired factory produced pups, whether they are Hancock on not.

[darbo 4,774]

ive not seen a hancock dog for years and dont know much about them these days but i owned 1 bred from chuckles who was sired by a rabbiting collie he showed good potential but died young and have heard a few decent dogs came from the dog chuckles i know d,sleight used him back in his line of collie lurchers many years ago.

[Bosun11 537]

I've owned two, years back and they were ok, tbh one was very good. Though niether came directly off him but both were from his kennels.

 

Would i go to Hancock for a collie bred pup...? Well a few years back i may have said yes, only to get 'exactly' what you want. Now i would say no, deffinatley not. There are so many more collie blooded dogs out there now, from worked parents and far cheaper. I'd also agree with Tomo, Darcy and Omayana and would question why only collie in the mix?

[bob84 189]

If I wanted a collie halfx, I'd breed my own, it's one of very few half's about where we still spoilt for choice on mutts to use lol

I going to do this last year with my bitch I had to retire she 3/4 whippet hound tho to a strong will made work collie but decided not to incase I couldn't home all the pups

[Chicken_man 1,651]

Interesting discussion :-)

Atb

[Grunter123 1,109]

I had a half X out of Richard Jones cleverest dog I have ever dog , day or night fox deer rabbit hare it took them all in big numbers,I could show it a fox in the lamp from a field away turn lamp off and send him give him 3/4 mins then pop lamp on to see were he was and he would come from behind the fox never over shot his quarry, when he died I tryed two more shite jackers proper shit, I think he lost his way and does it for money, out of dogs that have been breed for looks and colours and not for work

[J Darcy 5,871]

When a man pump$ out enough pup$ then the odd one is going to be decent. It's the law of averages......

[Grunter123 1,109]

This was out of the old Richard Jones ie 20 years ago

[johnny boy68 11,726]

A lot of Hancocks clientele these days are flyball/agility/pet based so a lot of feedback is coming from these, so they're probably aiming a lot of breeding towards this type.

 

Back in the day a large % of people who bought Hancock dogs worked them so a lot of work based feedback gave you an idea what studs/matings were working. But with a lot of the client Base changing then so the type of dog is imo.