Further Update On New Lurcher Association

[Flynn 314]

I have spoken with Trenchfoot and Penny, Alan was unavailabe at that time, we agreed, on many points...

 

Trenchfoot knows where the dialogue ended and so do I at the very beginning, and not on this thread .

 

I have always believed in telling the truth, to that end one can never be caught out in a lie.

 

Having spoke with them both, i like what i heard and so it to be of benefit for a face to face meeting.Once Alan was available.

 

I had said to trench in a pm, i feel the dogs of war snapping at my feet. iwas not disappointed

 

As this topic has gone on, I have witnessed some ( for want to a better word, vile ) behavour.

 

The constant Pulling down of Alans work, be a solo or not, was very destructive.

hence the break down in ALL commincations.

 

I can only say to those who would dismiss Him like an old rag

 

' what have You been doing these past years? '

 

The AWL is here to stay join or dont, we will keep fighting for the ' Lurchers/Longdogs

 

You may question why its me Your talking to and not Alan ( its called man managment ) and when a team/s club s are happy, things flow on

 

We have a great bunch on board, with a great vision, I applaude them.

[Francie 6,368]

Good to hear Flynn, but why the sudden upsurge in interest, whenever a few respectful lads on here started a movement, an meeting with tim b.

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

So GIRO who started the ball rolling is with the AWL is that right

Yes ,Giro felt aggrieved at being left out of the original steering group may be rightly, I thought Rob(DEWCLAW69) and Giro resolved the problem apparently not. Rob thought the bad feeling would not help to move things on so he withdrew from the steering committee of LAGBI as to why and wherefore only Giro and Rob could answer fully if they were of a mind to.

 

What were the reasons for not having giro on the steering commitee, after all he started the ball rolling so to speak?

 

I dont know mate i was a temporary seat warmer when I think either Sandymere or Trenchfoot came on board I gave up my seat. Dew claw or Giro could possibly answer if they are of a mind. Today I have rejoined the steering group but if anyone wants to sit they are more than welcome.

[Francie 6,368]

Fairplay dB, keep her lit

[Flynn 314]

Good to hear Flynn, but why the sudden upsurge in interest, whenever a few respectful lads on here started a movement, an meeting with tim b.

The upsurge began, when the chance of amendments came in, wayyyyyyyyyyy before this.many many threads ago

[trenchfoot 4,243]

When all this started there was no club so a group of like minded people started to get ideas together of creating a way of getting the CA to represent us (better). From that was drawn up a steering group, who's aim was to draw up a format of a new "association" for lurchers. Alan Tyres reminded people that the ALC was still in existence, to most peoples surprise and that it had a chair on the council of hunting. Alan also offered up some advice based upon his own thoughts. These were taken on board and put into the mix by the steering group.

 

The steering group decided on a working title for the new group (LAGBI) and prepared for their meeting with Tim Bonner of the CA. During this period, communications broke down between those that were in the steering group and those that were not. I do not know the reason why, but have apologised publicly on this forum and moochers for that happening. This breakdown did not become apparent to the steering group until the article relaunching the ALC as the AWL appeared in the CMW.

 

As it stands those that were not in the steering group have decided to ignore the work put into guiding a new lurcher association, and put their support behind the old guard. An old guard who have had no impact in 10 years, at best. They have chosen a direction that is not in line with the findings of the steering group and recent experience has shown that a meeting of the two groups would have been a "tin hats required" scenario.

 

When Giro and Dewclaw got this process started back in early September, I knew that the cart had been put before the horse. Time was needed to bring on board many other parties, before any official group was created, let alone elect a committee. As it is the AWL have apparently solved the problem by putting the dinosaurs before the cart.

 

As it stands, I wish them luck.

 

Y.I.S Trenchfoot

[Flynn 314]

When all this started there was no club so a group of like minded people started to get ideas together of creating a way of getting the CA to represent us (better). From that was drawn up a steering group, who's aim was to draw up a format of a new "association" for lurchers. Alan Tyres reminded people that the ALC was still in existence, to most peoples surprise and that it had a chair on the council of hunting. Alan also offered up some advice based upon his own thoughts. These were taken on board and put into the mix by the steering group.

 

The steering group decided on a working title for the new group (LAGBI) and prepared for their meeting with Tim Bonner of the CA. During this period, communications broke down between those that were in the steering group and those that were not. I do not know the reason why, but have apologised publicly on this forum and moochers for that happening. This breakdown did not become apparent to the steering group until the article relaunching the ALC as the AWL appeared in the CMW.

 

As it stands those that were not in the steering group have decided to ignore the work put into guiding a new lurcher association, and put their support behind the old guard. An old guard who have had no impact in 10 years, at best. They have chosen a direction that is not in line with the findings of the steering group and recent experience has shown that a meeting of the two groups would have been a "tin hats required" scenario.

 

When Giro and Dewclaw got this process started back in early September, I knew that the cart had been put before the horse. Time was needed to bring on board many other parties, before any official group was created, let alone elect a committee. As it is the AWL have apparently solved the problem by putting the dinosaurs before the cart.

 

As it stands, I wish them luck.

 

Y.I.S Trenchfoot

and Jolly good luck to You.

[Francie 6,368]

 

 

Good to hear Flynn, but why the sudden upsurge in interest, whenever a few respectful lads on here started a movement, an meeting with tim b.

The upsurge began, when the chance of amendments came in, wayyyyyyyyyyy before this.many many threads ago

So you were planning the upsurge before the lads on here started on there course of the lagbi?

 

If so why did you or Alan not mentioned it on here to the huntings lads, an moochers as well?

Asking for support?

[paulus 26]

the idea was started a long time before that. discussions were taking place a couple of years ago, SAC`s were involved at that point, it was never stopped just put on the back burner after SAC`s pulled out for reasons only known to themselves. there are several members still on here who were part of that original group.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

When all this started there was no club so a group of like minded people started to get ideas together of creating a way of getting the CA to represent us (better). From that was drawn up a steering group, who's aim was to draw up a format of a new "association" for lurchers. Alan Tyres reminded people that the ALC was still in existence, to most peoples surprise and that it had a chair on the council of hunting. Alan also offered up some advice based upon his own thoughts. These were taken on board and put into the mix by the steering group.

 

The steering group decided on a working title for the new group (LAGBI) and prepared for their meeting with Tim Bonner of the CA. During this period, communications broke down between those that were in the steering group and those that were not. I do not know the reason why, but have apologised publicly on this forum and moochers for that happening. This breakdown did not become apparent to the steering group until the article relaunching the ALC as the AWL appeared in the CMW.

 

As it stands those that were not in the steering group have decided to ignore the work put into guiding a new lurcher association, and put their support behind the old guard. An old guard who have had no impact in 10 years, at best. They have chosen a direction that is not in line with the findings of the steering group and recent experience has shown that a meeting of the two groups would have been a "tin hats required" scenario.

 

When Giro and Dewclaw got this process started back in early September, I knew that the cart had been put before the horse. Time was needed to bring on board many other parties, before any official group was created, let alone elect a committee. As it is the AWL have apparently solved the problem by putting the dinosaurs before the cart.

 

As it stands, I wish them luck.

 

Y.I.S Trenchfoot

Can one of your steering group get on the Council of Hunting? Would you need a member on the council to make it work?

[Ossie n Arch 1,682]

Christ, what a mess.

 

 

I think if i was one of the LAGBI folks, I'd pack it in and let the AWL/AWLL/ALC or whatever they are called to just get on with it now. They knew what was happening with regards the LAGBI getting a few people together for a meeting with TB, but then went ahead with their own meeting with the CA or TB (Not sure which) Anyway. A little bit naughty that IMO.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

 

When all this started there was no club so a group of like minded people started to get ideas together of creating a way of getting the CA to represent us (better). From that was drawn up a steering group, who's aim was to draw up a format of a new "association" for lurchers. Alan Tyres reminded people that the ALC was still in existence, to most peoples surprise and that it had a chair on the council of hunting. Alan also offered up some advice based upon his own thoughts. These were taken on board and put into the mix by the steering group.

 

The steering group decided on a working title for the new group (LAGBI) and prepared for their meeting with Tim Bonner of the CA. During this period, communications broke down between those that were in the steering group and those that were not. I do not know the reason why, but have apologised publicly on this forum and moochers for that happening. This breakdown did not become apparent to the steering group until the article relaunching the ALC as the AWL appeared in the CMW.

 

As it stands those that were not in the steering group have decided to ignore the work put into guiding a new lurcher association, and put their support behind the old guard. An old guard who have had no impact in 10 years, at best. They have chosen a direction that is not in line with the findings of the steering group and recent experience has shown that a meeting of the two groups would have been a "tin hats required" scenario.

 

When Giro and Dewclaw got this process started back in early September, I knew that the cart had been put before the horse. Time was needed to bring on board many other parties, before any official group was created, let alone elect a committee. As it is the AWL have apparently solved the problem by putting the dinosaurs before the cart.

 

As it stands, I wish them luck.

 

Y.I.S Trenchfoot

Can one of your steering group get on the Council of Hunting? Would you need a member on the council to make it work?

 

There is one seat for "lurchers" on the Council, Alan Tyers holds that due to historic reasons. If you need to be on the council for a "lurcher organisation" to work is an interesting topic that remains to be answered in the future.

[dodger 3,056]

One positive outcome for this thread so far atleast is it sure has created a lot of interest and brought all this club business to everyone's attention and into the limelight lol

[desertbred 5,490]

Why would any club group or association need to be part of COH , Obviously for a voice in numbers and a seat in C/A but there are plenty of small groups. clubs and associations that use dogs, Raptors. ferrets, terriers, guns to hunt that are not members of the Council of hunting or the C/A it would give a louder voice no doubt but many individuals and groups are independent. Also many who follow country sports rather work alone than join the groups. these loners and small independent groups are just as important as the bigger organised clubs and an association is just that a group of like minded people you may want to retain the lone ranger image that is called freedom of choice. In order to retain and maintain any form of hunting needs unity which given recent events seems easier said than done. Grass roots up reorganisation is what is needed but some long in the tooth stalwarts dont want modernisation pity really but thats life.

[skycat 6,174]

I find it very sad that Alan Tyer has seen fit to refuse a meeting with the steering group based on the, and I quote: 'the vile behaviour' of a few.. Surely, if we are all truly determined to provide better representation for the lurcher there are bound to be those who refuse to 'play nicely'. Surely it would be better to ignore the nasty bullies and work together to ensure that any lurcher organisation represents all lurchers and their owners who wish to play a part in improving either an existing association or club, or creating between us a new and modern face for the lurcher and its work. Better that than a rift caused by internet squabbling.