Further Update On New Lurcher Association

[Leeview 791]

I'm sure they have been fighting SL but maybe not as much as they should have. I understand where your coming from but as far as I know the meeting with the CA went well and that's why the club has been resurrected. For me it's got to worth a punt.

 

the AWL(formerly ALC) have been part of the CA for 20yrs

Y.I.S Leeview

[desertbred 5,490]

An extract from Lagbi,s meeting with the C/A report posted on here. Doesnt it put C/A and its own position into perspective over the last so many decades now they are ready to up their game.

 

"The meeting with The Countryside Alliance on Wednesday went really well. Tim Bonner has agreed that more needs to be done by them to publicly support lurcher work,"

 

this is an extract posted by Trenchfoot on this topic near the begining, regarding the meeting of LAGBI and Tim Bonner of the C/A

[paulus 26]

Paulus they say on the website that a syndicate could get half fees for the first yearand a discount after

could or will ??

[Dunkanon 380]

fck me...ive just read the whole thread and Im not to clear on whats gone on/going on.

 

Only a few short weeks ago, a thread was started regarding lack of CA support for working lurchers...then rumblings of a new group lots of fors and againsts, loads of positive feedback the beggining of something promising, then a A. Tyler pops up and most people dont even know who he or the ALC are....a new committee is formed who are going to meet Tim Bonner....then it goes all cloak and dagger and all will be revealed to us mere mortals in good time...

 

..I go to work away, come back two weeks later, and its a fckin shambles and we(lurcher owners) look like a bunch of kids squabbling over whose ball it is, I bet the opposition LACS,SSPCA RSPCA and all the other anti brigade are quaking in there liitle shoes (NOT) more like pissing there self laughing at our childish bickering.

 

So now we have a reformed ALC called the AWLL who seem to be all smug and happy, and another group LAGBI who or what they are doing I dont really know,

 

are the LAGBI still going ahead?

 

is the reformed AWLL going to be the voice of the working lurcher owner? if so who elected the commitee?

 

are any of the original volunteers who formed the steering group for LAGBI on the committee for AWLL?

 

Im well confused, if the questions Ive asked have been answered within the thread Ive missed them amongst everything else.

[scottish lurcher 185]

An extract from Lagbi,s meeting with the C/A report posted on here. Doesnt it put C/A and its own position into perspective over the last so many decades now they are ready to up their game.

 

"The meeting with The Countryside Alliance on Wednesday went really well. Tim Bonner has agreed that more needs to be done by them to publicly support lurcher work,"

 

this is an extract posted by Trenchfoot on this topic near the begining, regarding the meeting of LAGBI and Tim Bonner of the C/A

well I think they CA have now to prove there commitment and win back lurcher mens support before expecting money ,they should be doing there best to convince us to join them not other way about . And iam all for a united lurcher front ! Edited October 26, 2015 by scottish lurcher

[riohog 5,701]

 

An extract from Lagbi,s meeting with the C/A report posted on here. Doesnt it put C/A and its own position into perspective over the last so many decades now they are ready to up their game.

 

"The meeting with The Countryside Alliance on Wednesday went really well. Tim Bonner has agreed that more needs to be done by them to publicly support lurcher work,"

 

this is an extract posted by Trenchfoot on this topic near the begining, regarding the meeting of LAGBI and Tim Bonner of the C/A

well I think they CA have now to prove there commitment and win back lurcher mens support before expecting money ,they should be doing there best to convince us to join them not other way about .

 

i dont think they give a flying fk .about lurchers infact i think they see them as a liability to there course , .thats why they havnt been represented , they may make a token jesture toards them put on there lst of prioritys it will be at the bottom of the heap ...

[scottish lurcher 185]

 

 

 

An extract from Lagbi,s meeting with the C/A report posted on here. Doesnt it put C/A and its own position into perspective over the last so many decades now they are ready to up their game.

 

"The meeting with The Countryside Alliance on Wednesday went really well. Tim Bonner has agreed that more needs to be done by them to publicly support lurcher work,"

 

this is an extract posted by Trenchfoot on this topic near the begining, regarding the meeting of LAGBI and Tim Bonner of the C/A

well I think they CA have now to prove there commitment and win back lurcher mens support before expecting money ,they should be doing there best to convince us to join them not other way about .

i dont think they give a flying fk .about lurchers infact i think they see them as a liability to there course , .thats why they havnt been represented , they may make a token jesture toards them put on there lst of prioritys it will be at the bottom of the heap ...

yeah that's how I feel .

[nothernlite 18,078]

 

 

 

An extract from Lagbi,s meeting with the C/A report posted on here. Doesnt it put C/A and its own position into perspective over the last so many decades now they are ready to up their game.

"The meeting with The Countryside Alliance on Wednesday went really well. Tim Bonner has agreed that more needs to be done by them to publicly support lurcher work,"

this is an extract posted by Trenchfoot on this topic near the begining, regarding the meeting of LAGBI and Tim Bonner of the C/A

well I think they CA have now to prove there commitment and win back lurcher mens support before expecting money ,they should be doing there best to convince us to join them not other way about .

i dont think they give a flying fk .about lurchers infact i think they see them as a liability to there course , .thats why they havnt been represented , they may make a token jesture toards them put on there lst of prioritys it will be at the bottom of the heap ...

yeah that's how I feel .

well there's the truth

[South hams hunter 8,921]

Paulus it says it is but I suppose as the awl is 20 years old we have missed that ship

[desertbred 5,490]

What happened yesterday is in the past. What happens tomorrow is important.

[mad4it 694]

What happened yesterday is in the past. What happens tomorrow is important.

well said.

 

what ever happens lurcher men/women and the way we work them with in the ban needs repsenting plus the ca needs to do more to support them before they can exspec any money.

In my eyes the way forward as been said before is education.

 

i have never heard of the alc/awll before this thread it taken somebody or a group of well meaning people to do something about protecting lurchers and the way they are worked to wake the alc/awll now it seems that they are the best thing scene slice bread.

 

Lurcher owners both men and women need to be united NOT fighting with each other no wonder the likes of the ca see lurchers and there owners as a joke, all i can say to the steering group is well done

[Leeview 791]

the meeting with Tim Bonner and the steering group went well they felt, were minutes taken of the meeting? What did Tim Bonner actually offer the lagbi? that is not being revealed yet?

Y.I.S Leeview

[Giro 2,648]

https://m.(!64.56:886/story.php?story_fbid=10156189544365298&id=342517515297

 

That's the full unedited version of a article about the AWL..

 

If your not on Facebook.

 

I'll try and post but I'm on my phone and signals intermittent..

Edited October 27, 2015 by Giro

[johnny boy68 11,726]

https://m.(!64.56:886/story.php?story_fbid=10156189544365298&id=342517515297

 

That's the full unedited version of a article about the AWL..

 

If your not on Facebook.

 

I'll try and post but I'm on my phone and signals intermittent..

Here you go Steve, hope its ok to copy and post.

 

The Association for the Working Lurcher/Longdogs

THE ASSOCIATION FOR THE WORKING

LURCHER/LONGDOG.

 

The Association of Lurcher Clubs has been recognised as the governing body for lurcher/Longdog work for the past twenty years.

Working closely with the Countryside Alliance, we have fought many battles, first to try to stop the hunting ban and since the ban, to repeal an unjust law.

The ALC and the CA worked together with other hunting associations to fight for ALL types of hunting.

The Council of Hunting Associations (CHA) being the governing body to which all hunting associations are answerable. Every type of hunting is represented on the board of the CHA, be it mounted Foxhound packs, through the Masters of Foxhound Association (MFA) and all the other Hound packs that are represented by their respective associations. When I say all types of hunting I mean all types. On the Council of Hunting Associations, not only are the hound packs represented, but also the National Coursing Club (NCC), to represent Competitive Coursing under rules, the National Working Terrier Federation, (NWTF) who represent all types of terrier work, both working with hound packs and working alone as a valuable asset in pest control, and the Association of Lurcher Clubs (ALC) who represent all types of work with Lurchers and Longdogs, from Hare coursing (pre ban AND AFTER THE REPEAL), to Rabbiting, Ratting, working with bobbery packs etc.

As Chairman of the Association of Lurcher Clubs, I sit on the board of the CHA and the voice of the Lurcher/Longdog owner is as loud and as important as any other. To say that it is all about riding to hounds is totally wrong. Many hound packs are run by working farmers, miners. You have the farmers packs from wales and the Lake District where the fell packs were the main method of controlling foxes for hundreds of years. In the Pennines, you have the foot packs that have hunted the Hare, the Fox and the mink for many, many years.

Bring all these together and you have HUNTING in all its forms.

The Council of Hunting Associations and The Countryside Alliance make no distinction between the many diverse forms of hunting; they support and represent all forms through the governing body of each type of hunting.

 

The Association of Lurcher Clubs was formed in the early nineties to bring together all Lurcher and Longdog owners, both to form clubs and therefore work under a code of Good practice and gain permission for working their dogs, and to unite together to fight the then increasing attacks by the uninformed.

One of the incentives to join the ALC was that it enabled each club champion to be put forward and enter to the Association competition The Forley Cup as well as to fight the anti-hunting fraternity.

The ALC was of its time, it was just what it said on the tin, an association of Clubs. However, after the ban, the number of Lurcher clubs formed grew less and less.

The many individual owners and workers of Lurchers and Longdog still needed and still need support and representation at the highest level. You still need an association to represent you and such an association still needs you. We, as always, work under the guidance of the CA and the CHA, I, as Chairman of the A.W.L.(formally the A.L.C.) represent all members to both.

 

I had a conversation with Tim Bonner (the new chief Executive of the Countryside Alliance) and he happily confirmed that the CA still accepts the ALC (now the A.W.L.) as the governing body for Lurcher work, that mean all types of work, from Coursing, (after the repeal) to all other types of hunting done by Lurchers/Longdogs. We must be part of the fight for repeal. If you are not a member of the A.W.L. and the CA, why not? We must work together.

This brings me to a major point, as I have already stated the Association of Lurcher Clubs means exactly that, an association of clubs. This was right and proper when we formed the Association, if an individual wanted to support the fight against a hunting ban; he/she had only to join a local club that was affiliated To the ALC.

We must now, as then, be seen to represent ALL owners of Lurchers and Longdogs, individuals and clubs. All individuals and clubs must be catered for and all individuals and clubs must join the fight! This means that the title the Association of Lurcher Clubs, could be misleading. We no longer represent just clubs or are just about coursing (that was never the case). We are an alliance of people that own and work many types of different sighthounds both purebred and cross bred hence the title Longdog. All types and forms of hunting with Lurchers and Longdogs come under the banner and needs the support and representation of the Governing body. To this end it has been proposed that as part of the fight to bring about a repeal we must state exactly who we are and what we stand for. So the name of the ALC will be changed to the Association for the Working Longdog/Lurcher (AWL). There cannot now be any mistake, the A.W.L. represents all owners of sighthounds. The reason for using the term Longdog as well as Lurcher is that in keeping with the fight for a repeal we must include all the other working Longdogs, The working Whippet, the Working Lurcher, the Saluki Cross, the bull cross and the many other types of dog, purebred and crossbred that hunt by sight as well as scent. We owe it to you all to support and represent you at the highest level and in turn you owe it to yourselve, to join and fight for repeal. All the contacts and experience that we have gained as the ALC are still there. We must use them to fight for repeal.

Not only are we part of the hunting community, we must be seen to be part of the fight for repeal.

[Giro 2,648]

Thank you mate.