BGD 6,436 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 LOL, as an educated superior could you not see that the crux of your disagreement was that you were arguing over the actual human rights legislation, whereas Len was arguing over the imposition of supposed human rights in the judicial system generally? As an educated superior would it not have just been simpler to point this out and say "we're coming from two different angles here Len, mate, let me explain....."? Or is it perhaps that you both were so adamant that you were each right (and of course from your own points of view, you were) that you couldn't see that? That's exactly what I was doing, did you not see where I repeatedly told him his problem was with the judge not the HRA? It's why I got so fed up with him being so dense ignoring my posts, for feck sake it's catching! Len never said that it was the HRA. He said human rights, which is a concept not law. The concept of human rights effects our judiciary in ways separate to the actual HRA. I'm going to walk away now..... He did actually, he was changing his terminology with every post. You know what I think I'll follow your lead, this thread is making me dizzy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,724 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 LOL, as an educated superior could you not see that the crux of your disagreement was that you were arguing over the actual human rights legislation, whereas Len was arguing over the imposition of supposed human rights in the judicial system generally? As an educated superior would it not have just been simpler to point this out and say "we're coming from two different angles here Len, mate, let me explain....."? Or is it perhaps that you both were so adamant that you were each right (and of course from your own points of view, you were) that you couldn't see that? bh, if a person involved in murder is spared jail because he or she may get depressed, do you think that's right or wrong? Well in that simple case I'd say it's wrong. But BGD sounds correct that the actual human rights legislation had nothing to do with it, however I also agree with you that the sentence was clearly based on this liberal rights bollocks that seems to have infected society, the judge deeming that the murderer had a right not to suffer potential depression through prison. I agree with both of you. This general attitude in society that allows for these injustices to occur needs a big social realignment. any Kunt that murders or rapes, molests kids etc etc, should not have rights, they gave them up when committing the said offences. That woman handed those phones over to unrepentant killers knowing what they were gona do. She should have went down like a lead balloon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,724 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Just to clarify, it's these type of loopholes and modern human rights bullshit that needs changed, those Muslim sex offenders are afraid of getting hurt if sent home? Did they give a fook about the victim until they got caught?? Not 1 single bit. Flown over lybia and dropped out from a plane with ripped parachutes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacknife 2,005 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Judges have to take into account the ECHR and mental health (depression) is part of that act Who's to say the ECHR didn't play a major part in his decision on sentencing 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,724 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Judges have to take into account the ECHR and mental health (depression) is part of that act Who's to say the ECHR didn't play a major part in his decision on sentencing it did jackknife and such a cowardly judge he was. There's no denying it unless your blind deaf n dumb, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Breaking a country's laws should automatically ban you from being able to claim "asylum." Whether that is entering the country illegally or as in this case something far more sinister. Why on earth would anyone imagine we need any more rapists here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Take them out of the detention center give them the option to run or stand and then shoot the c**ts rapists f**k them. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ftm 3,357 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 db-1st time ive agreed with you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil82 1,066 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 all this kicked off over a post about the Libyan soldiers claiming asylum here and it turned into a free for all over the human rights act, this is my take on it, accept it as my opinion and feel free to disagree but it won`t change how I feel, they committed a crime here even though they were guests of this country. why the f**k should there be any consideration or debate over letting them stay here either as residents of this country or prisoners of our judicial system, throw them out, no debate, no legal argument to drag things out through the courts for years, just throw them out human rights act or not every country has the right to decide who can come in and who cannot, its time the spineless b*****ds who run this country realised that and started to use that law (which is internationally recognised, as opposed to the HRA which is only recognised by a few countries and only then the bits they wanted), and as for you BGD, you seem to me be one that thinks all terrorism is ok as long as you get the result you want eventually and every one who may disagree is stupid, you made a few digs at people personally who had a different way of looking at things, but to me you are a first class dickhead, and you make a prime point about how the HRA is so f****d up and should be abolished as its used in this country, its so abused by those who deserve no protection that the legal system would probably be better off if it stepped back 500 years and based itself on common law 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ragumup Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Take them out of the detention center give them the option to run or stand and then shoot the c**ts rapists f**k them. Statement like this from you make me laugh ,would you do the same to your false prophet for being a child rapist ,sex slave owner ,slave trader, mass murderer, looter, and a liar ... or would you kiss his feet ? ps; don't say this is not true and make me prove you wrong from your own Islamic sources.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 When I first heard of this story, it made me physically angry ! The soldiers were bought here for training (some of you may remember that our our old pal BPR was stationed at the same barracks). While here, they, and others among them, abused our hospitality and facilities in the worst possible way. I believe that their behaviour immediately puts them outside any asylum process. No claim for asylum should even be considered, and any lawyer that accepts their case should be ashamed of themselves ! I also believe that all foreign-born criminals should be immediately deported, on their release, and never allowed to return here. No-one should be allowed to emigrate here if they have a criminal conviction in their own country. I'm also unhappy that the granting of asylum seems to be a permanent arrangement. People fleeing to Europe from danger should return home, once the danger has passed. I don't understand why refugees from civil wars around the world are still here, long after those wars have ended.......... The Human Rights Act was designed to protect us all from torture, wrongful imprisonment, internment without trial, harassment by the State and such. What it has become is simply a very large loophole, used by some to subvent due process and to side step morally justifiable legal judgements, and its high time that all signatories 'got back to basics' and remembered the real meaning of the Act. Cases like the Libyan Soldiers not only make our country a laughing stock, but they do a great disservice to the many people who have genuinely used the HRA to protect themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Take them out of the detention center give them the option to run or stand and then shoot the c**ts rapists f**k them. Statement like this from you make me laugh ,would you do the same to your false prophet for being a child rapist ,sex slave owner ,slave trader, mass murderer, looter, and a liar ... or would you kiss his feet ? ps; don't say this is not true and make me prove you wrong from your own Islamic sources.... You really are not even worth discussing anything with. abuse and distortion appears to be your stock in trade,Billion followers of the Prophet and you just let me think who would I follow . now back under your stone Ragunumpty. Edited October 3, 2015 by desertbred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nans pat 2,575 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Judges have to take into account the ECHR and mental health (depression) is part of that act Who's to say the ECHR didn't play a major part in his decision on sentencing it did jackknife and such a cowardly judge he was. There's no denying it unless your blind deaf n dumb, judges work for the establishment,he didnt show mr duffy much human rights remanding him in custody for nearly 3yrs in this case,[interment by the back door] only for the charges to e dropped,hardly human rights. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ragumup Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Take them out of the detention center give them the option to run or stand and then shoot the c**ts rapists f**k them. Statement like this from you make me laugh ,would you do the same to your false prophet for being a child rapist ,sex slave owner ,slave trader, mass murderer, looter, and a liar ... or would you kiss his feet ? ps; don't say this is not true and make me prove you wrong from your own Islamic sources.... You really are not even worth discussing anything with. abuse and distortion appears to be your stock in trade,Billion followers of the Prophet and you just let me think who would I follow . now back under your stone Ragunumpty.[/quote) No abuse or distortion here only the truth and facts from me , abuse and distortion is your style same as your prophet ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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