Libyan Soldiers To Claim Asylum......

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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

 

Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

I'm pretty certain we can come up with legislation a bit more robust than that!

 

Would I trust the government? Well I'm trusting the courts and they're letting me down! What's the difference?

You obviously don't understand the concept of universal human rights so this conversation is a bit pointless

right bgd, not a sectarian row here but do you think that woman who bought the phone for the killers of the masserene barracks soldiers deserved to go to jail or did the over abused human rights bullshiite get in the way? Something I just couldn't comprehend how can someone caught by the bollicks involved in murders get away with jail time because she suffers with depression? Utter bollicks. Not just her by the way anybody else who done it too

That was just was a wishy-washy liberal judge deciding not to impose a custodial sentence wasn't it? Nothing to do with the HRA.

lolol, no , it was because her human rights were affected. Could never have a murderer suffer depression by going to jail. Never mind the rights of the slain soldiers. The whole human rights thing needs rewriting closing the loopholes and throwing away the Shiite. X

So she took her case to the ECHR did she?

 

You're talking utter bollocks.

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The human rights legislation that the courts go by is not universal, it onky cover the EU. It comes under the Human Rights Act came into being in 1998 in the UK.

And interestingly not every country in the EU signed up to all parts of it.

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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

 

Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

I'm pretty certain we can come up with legislation a bit more robust than that!

 

Would I trust the government? Well I'm trusting the courts and they're letting me down! What's the difference?

You obviously don't understand the concept of universal human rights so this conversation is a bit pointless

right bgd, not a sectarian row here but do you think that woman who bought the phone for the killers of the masserene barracks soldiers deserved to go to jail or did the over abused human rights bullshiite get in the way? Something I just couldn't comprehend how can someone caught by the bollicks involved in murders get away with jail time because she suffers with depression? Utter bollicks. Not just her by the way anybody else who done it too

That was just was a wishy-washy liberal judge deciding not to impose a custodial sentence wasn't it? Nothing to do with the HRA.

lolol, no , it was because her human rights were affected. Could never have a murderer suffer depression by going to jail. Never mind the rights of the slain soldiers. The whole human rights thing needs rewriting closing the loopholes and throwing away the Shiite. X

So she took her case to the ECHR did she?

You're talking utter bollocks.

im talking utter bollix??? Then why was it published that the reason she didn't go to jail was because she would suffer depression by jail time. Maybe they didn't go through ECHR but they used a loophole in the HR act. I'm only using this case as it's recent enough in the news. But it's an over abused loophole in the law

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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

 

Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

I'm pretty certain we can come up with legislation a bit more robust than that!

 

Would I trust the government? Well I'm trusting the courts and they're letting me down! What's the difference?

You obviously don't understand the concept of universal human rights so this conversation is a bit pointless

right bgd, not a sectarian row here but do you think that woman who bought the phone for the killers of the masserene barracks soldiers deserved to go to jail or did the over abused human rights bullshiite get in the way? Something I just couldn't comprehend how can someone caught by the bollicks involved in murders get away with jail time because she suffers with depression? Utter bollicks. Not just her by the way anybody else who done it too

That was just was a wishy-washy liberal judge deciding not to impose a custodial sentence wasn't it? Nothing to do with the HRA.

lolol, no , it was because her human rights were affected. Could never have a murderer suffer depression by going to jail. Never mind the rights of the slain soldiers. The whole human rights thing needs rewriting closing the loopholes and throwing away the Shiite. X

So she took her case to the ECHR did she?

You're talking utter bollocks.

im talking utter bollix??? Then why was it published that the reason she didn't go to jail was because she would suffer depression by jail time. Maybe they didn't go through ECHR but they used a loophole in the HR act. I'm only using this case as it's recent enough in the news. But it's an over abused loophole in the law

No, the judge decided not to impose a custodial sentence because of her depression. It was his personal decision nothing to do with the human rights act.

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Her rights were held higher than the murdered soldiers. It's wrong no natter how you try to defend it, and it wasn't her 1st case either she was a convicted terrorist. But would never do in modern society if the perpetrator didn't become the victims. It's just wrong. Loophole that needs closing and sorting out

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Her rights were held higher than the murdered soldiers. It's wrong no natter how you try to defend it, and it wasn't her 1st case either she was a convicted terrorist. But would never do in modern society if the perpetrator didn't become the victims. It's just wrong. Loophole that needs closing and sorting out

Your problem is with the judge not the human rights act, you're obviously too thick to understand that though because I've told you three fecking times and you're still banging on about "loopholes" that don't exist.

 

That'll be the end of my daily bashing my head against a wall session. You can't fix stupid.

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Her rights were held higher than the murdered soldiers. It's wrong no natter how you try to defend it, and it wasn't her 1st case either she was a convicted terrorist. But would never do in modern society if the perpetrator didn't become the victims. It's just wrong. Loophole that needs closing and sorting out

Your problem is with the judge not the human rights act, you're obviously too thick to understand that though because I've told you three fecking times and you're still banging on about "loopholes" that don't exist.

That'll be the end of my daily bashing my head against a wall session. You can't fix stupid.

aye dead on. The truth came out in the end. She was spared jail because she suffers depression. All to do with this human rights bullshit, rife within modern society in gb today. Anywhere else she was away for her tea.

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I honestly don't understand how half the members on here manage to get through the day without killing themselves in some horrific accident.

 

Honestly some of the most dense people I've ever met. If you had told me people this stupid existed I would of called you a liar before I had seen it with my own eyes.

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I honestly don't understand how half the members on here manage to get through the day without killing themselves in some horrific accident.

Honestly some of the most dense people I've ever met. If you had told me people this stupid existed I would of called you a liar before I had seen it with my own eyes.

the only stupid one on here is you. Bet you got the HR act tattooed on your body fs. Just incase you go to commit crime and gurn about the time. Get over yourself.

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And you still haven't grasped what the human rights act actually is :laugh:

 

How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby?

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I honestly don't understand how half the members on here manage to get through the day without killing themselves in some horrific accident.

 

Honestly some of the most dense people I've ever met. If you had told me people this stupid existed I would of called you a liar before I had seen it with my own eyes.

 

Has it ever occurred to you that unless you can manage to get through these threads without abusing people you don't agree with then perhaps you should keep out, regardless of how strongly you feel? Calling people stupid when they have not abused you is not in any way conducive to a progressive debate is it? You might think it's perfectly fair, but lets face it it's nothing more than abuse and simply leads to the deterioration of the debate, as so often happens on here. You wanted nothing more to do with me, so walked away, that was sensible and I respect that. Why not keep things civil for the sake of a hopefully enlightening debate?

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I honestly don't understand how half the members on here manage to get through the day without killing themselves in some horrific accident.

 

Honestly some of the most dense people I've ever met. If you had told me people this stupid existed I would of called you a liar before I had seen it with my own eyes.

Has it ever occurred to you that unless you can manage to get through these threads without abusing people you don't agree with then perhaps you should keep out, regardless of how strongly you feel? Calling people stupid when they have not abused you is not in any way conducive to a progressive debate is it? You might think it's perfectly fair, but lets face it it's nothing more than abuse and simply leads to the deterioration of the debate, as so often happens on here. You wanted nothing more to do with me, so walked away, that was sensible and I respect that. Why not keep things civil for the sake of a hopefully enlightening debate?

It's hard to have a reasonable debate with someone that is busy shadow boxing and not actually addressing the points I'm making. After the third time trying to explain something to someone and having them reply as if I hadn't said anything I get bored and let them know how thick they are

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And you still haven't grasped what the human rights act actually is :laugh:

How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby?

obviously dropped a lot less than yourself. Right one more question, do you think the said woman should have gone to jail? Don't dodge the question

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And you still haven't grasped what the human rights act actually is :laugh:

How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby?

obviously dropped a lot less than yourself. Right one more question, do you think the said woman should have gone to jail? Don't dodge the question

No she shouldn't have. She posed no risk to the public and very little risk of reoffending so there was no reason to hand down a custodial sentence, just like the judge in her trial said when he gave her a suspended sentence

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You must have rang stormount for that answer. The woman was a convicted terrorist before she was involved in these murders then you say she posed no risk to anybody??? Your answer shows your usuall far to the left stance you'd get on well with corbyns new labour and a job in the ni assembly. Your answer says it all.