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I get the concept of rights (universal bit is redundant, otherwise it's not a right, it's a privilege) just fine. And I don't agree with them at all!   Do you understand them? Essentially there's no

There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum. A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the

Has it ever occurred to you that unless you can manage to get through these threads without abusing people you don't agree with then perhaps you should keep out, regardless of how strongly you feel? C

There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.



A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.



Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die ‘like a dog’ under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a ‘family life’.



A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.




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Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!


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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

 

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

 

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

 

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

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Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

 

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

 

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

 

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

 

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

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Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

 

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

 

 

I'm pretty certain we can come up with legislation a bit more robust than that!

 

Would I trust the government? Well I'm trusting the courts and they're letting me down! What's the difference?

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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

 

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

 

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

 

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

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Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

 

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

I'm pretty certain we can come up with legislation a bit more robust than that!

 

Would I trust the government? Well I'm trusting the courts and they're letting me down! What's the difference?

You obviously don't understand the concept of universal human rights so this conversation is a bit pointless :victory:

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I get the concept of rights (universal bit is redundant, otherwise it's not a right, it's a privilege) just fine. And I don't agree with them at all!

 

Do you understand them? Essentially there's no such thing, there are these things we call rights which would more appropriately be termed pseudo-rights as they are determined and imposed by whatever authority is in charge. Given and taken at the whim of the system. Rights aren't just there, they're fought for, they're earned. As British citizens we have earned the privilege to those rights and the responsibility for them, as a foreign national you haven't, you're at the will of our kindness. If we choose not to offer you our kindness, knowing that you'll not be given the same 'rights' we have then tough shit.

 

But the system, the authority that gives these 'rights' is greater than our sovereign territory right? It's greater than the reach of Westminster? Well again, I'd have to disagree in principle. Yes legally, but no my opinion is that it shouldn't be. Let my country decide my 'rights'....

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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

:blink:

 

Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

I'm pretty certain we can come up with legislation a bit more robust than that!

 

Would I trust the government? Well I'm trusting the courts and they're letting me down! What's the difference?

You obviously don't understand the concept of universal human rights so this conversation is a bit pointless :victory:

right bgd, not a sectarian row here but do you think that woman who bought the phone for the killers of the masserene barracks soldiers deserved to go to jail or did the over abused human rights bullshiite get in the way? Something I just couldn't comprehend how can someone caught by the bollicks involved in murders get away with jail time because she suffers with depression? Utter bollicks. Not just her by the way anybody else who done it too
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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

:blink:

 

Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

I'm pretty certain we can come up with legislation a bit more robust than that!

 

Would I trust the government? Well I'm trusting the courts and they're letting me down! What's the difference?

You obviously don't understand the concept of universal human rights so this conversation is a bit pointless :victory:
right bgd, not a sectarian row here but do you think that woman who bought the phone for the killers of the masserene barracks soldiers deserved to go to jail or did the over abused human rights bullshiite get in the way? Something I just couldn't comprehend how can someone caught by the bollicks involved in murders get away with jail time because she suffers with depression? Utter bollicks. Not just her by the way anybody else who done it too

That was just was a wishy-washy liberal judge deciding not to impose a custodial sentence wasn't it? Nothing to do with the HRA.

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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

 

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

 

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

 

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

:blink:

 

Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

 

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

 

ok, i`ll say it, how many think its people with this outlook on the rights of others over everyone else that's given us this shit in the first place

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There have been several high profile cases - including one that may chime with the Libyan soldiers now seeking asylum.

A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last Febuary on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal.

Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die like a dog under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a family life.

A Bangladeshi woman jailed for five years for stabbing her baby daughter with a kitchen knife in East London in 2009 won the right to stay in Britain so she could rebuild her relationship with the child.

 

 

:blink:

 

Please someone tell me that this is just bad reporting?....................... we seem to have got this 'human rights' stuff very confused!

The whole point of human rights is that they're universal so we've hardly got them confused, these seriously rare cases of scumbags gaming the system are a small price to pay to guarantee our own protection under the same laws.

Would you really trust the government to decide who gets human rights and who doesn't?

I'm pretty certain we can come up with legislation a bit more robust than that!

 

Would I trust the government? Well I'm trusting the courts and they're letting me down! What's the difference?

You obviously don't understand the concept of universal human rights so this conversation is a bit pointless :victory:
right bgd, not a sectarian row here but do you think that woman who bought the phone for the killers of the masserene barracks soldiers deserved to go to jail or did the over abused human rights bullshiite get in the way? Something I just couldn't comprehend how can someone caught by the bollicks involved in murders get away with jail time because she suffers with depression? Utter bollicks. Not just her by the way anybody else who done it too
That was just was a wishy-washy liberal judge deciding not to impose a custodial sentence wasn't it? Nothing to do with the HRA.
lolol, no , it was because her human rights were affected. Could never have a murderer suffer depression by going to jail. Never mind the rights of the slain soldiers. The whole human rights thing needs rewriting closing the loopholes and throwing away the Shiite. Edited by Lenmcharristar
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