Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I think the term is box bound goat .Out the box in a hole ,back in the box .What I hate is a terrier jumping out the hole when breaking in ,a sign of things to come as this is when things usually hot up a bit .I'm not one for giving up on a well bred terrier but this does my head in . 2 Quote Link to post
Dabhand 887 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Hate that foxdropper if they jump out their head is not on the job As for terriers messing in empty earths two of the best terriers I have owned have done that in their early days over eager I put it down to 2 Quote Link to post
Dabhand 887 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Marshman put it down to the numpty that gifted it to you if it makes you feel better:-) 1 Quote Link to post
the goat 642 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Dilly, as you say cowardness...thats for me as 'finished' other little pickings can be worked on by both man and dog. One thing you can't put into a terrier is spunk iv found. If he has no spunk in him theres feckall anyone can do. Foxdropper yes a box dog is another name called for that type .be fecked a terrier that messes around cam put hours on a day for no reason at all and is seriously frustrating Feck that! Any other first season mistakes people have picked up on? Lads...professional boxers make mistakes...its something you have to deal with and work on on times. A mistake is a mistake....its when it starts becoming a habit its no longer a mistake. 4 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Marshman put it down to the numpty that gifted it to you if it makes you feel better:-) lol there's always that I suppose ? Quote Link to post
Glyn..... 5,208 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Biggest mistake is two much to soon,you can ruin them with one dig, did it often when I first started,first season softly shortly, was you've over matched them, it's your fault don't be blame the dog you are the failure 5 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Biggest mistake is two much to soon,you can ruin them with one dig, did it often when I first started,first season softly shortly, was you've over matched them, it's your fault don't be blame the dog you are the failure if this is meant for me Glynn then let me say the dog was keen and not hurt or cowed down , it's just the place was unknown to me and more sprawling than I thought . He was given the run around and made 1st season puppy mistakes I can live with that . If the dog have spewed proper Youre right I would've classed myself the failure and I wouldn't of blamed the dog either ! 5 Quote Link to post
pablo esc 1,598 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 That's the way to be Glyn, and even some of these good uns can turn out bad, but sense from the owner, and good experience nowadays. Thing that would get me though is some known dog's, i mean well hard one's the lads i knew had young and tough starts and too much work but the never jibbed, and hear the same of other ones known in later decades working through tough and long life, but The probably not as strong dog's as older ones that we saw, and i mean of a dealer Quote Link to post
pablo esc 1,598 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I mean not off a dealer, Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 got a young Lakeland and last season I put her in a drain what was marked and she bolted first one and held the second, so I finished her on that note as she was just about year old , and not having much choice in the box at the time , not ideal but thought she could cope with the job and she did. dug a dog out of a big earth last week and wanted a dog too hold the quarry and this lakey , I thought ideal just too let her hold it there until needed , as she has hell of a jaw on her as I found trying too part her from another bitch , anyway other dog was lifted and put her in , thinking boom , and she just dug at the entrance , I encouraged her and of course she came away , but I know if it was there she would of held it ,.......but raynard pushed back in the hole and I was a little shown up , and the softer dog was entered and pushed on a couple of meters and done the job until dug too ,.anyway that was a mistake swapping dogs , frustrating as I know if it was just inside the hole she would of just held it ,.......so very frustrating for me , but too be fair she hasn't been dug too and she is young , and knowing that she is no coward ,she will mix , but she divered at the entrance instead of pushing on , it hasn't done her no favours but I will give her a good crack of the whip , and let her rattle around a few big places , early days , frustrating but that's terriers Quote Link to post
Zilverhaze 1,627 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I see it like this everything apart form cowardice is a learning curve a lad who's good and outs time in with his dogs can guide them threw and correct most problems this is a reason I try em young to see what I am working with I will over look anything in the first season aslong as ther keen 2 Quote Link to post
Glyn..... 5,208 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 No marshman,not directed at you unless you have f****d up more directed at my f**k up 1 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 No marshman,not directed at you unless you have f****d up more directed at my f**k up I apologise mate ! I've f****d up in the past mate and constantly monitor myself probably more than what I care to say lol . It's a fine line with a youngster between success and failure . 1 Quote Link to post
shovel 160 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Often when hounds mark to ground or when extra few lads are out for a days digging there can be alot of extra pressure and activity around the earth. Huntsmen saying how long more etc etc. IMO these are not ideal conditions for starting a young terrier.if I can I usually try to start a young terrier out on my own or just with another digging mate.it gives young terrier plenty of time and it can concentrate on the job at hand then rather than hounds and men milling around the earth. 4 Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I agree Shovel, bring a pup out to get them used to hounds, the vehicle and the general hustle and bustle, Yes, but to bring them out for a dig in the same scenario, No. It doesn't help a pups confidence or a huntsman blood pressure, LOL. 1 Quote Link to post
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