Welsh Dog

[Bosun11 537]

For once in a long time i enjoyed that small article on Countryfile.

That Welsh Cur was a thing to behold. Some animal.

Nice to see the show giving good advice too. They don't make pets.

[neil cooney 10,415]

Seen it and enjoyed it and of course the best team won.

I like all the herding breeds and have worked for farmers who use them a lot but ,to me, those Welsh sheepdogs were better built for cattle.

But, it would be great to hear if anyone on here has experience of them, ie. Mr Loyd.

When the back of the jeep was opened and I seen all the pups I thought "£££££££££s" but when the lady said working homes only I thoughts that's good to hear.

 

Couldn't see them adding to a lurcher though.

[jeppi26 1,855]

Yes I watched the bit about the the Welsh dog looks strong sold things

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

The big old Welsh dawg reminded me of our farm curs, back when I was a boyo....

Loud, noisy,.. roustabout critters ,.ideal for bringing in, a few head of cattle ,...but,...a 'star's flight' from a quality Border Collie... The fabulous specialist ,...the supreme herder,...

 

Truly, the Rolls Royce of pastoral canines....

Edited September 27, 2015 by Phil Lloyd

[Bush Rummager 4,241]

Got it recording on the series link... and I'm about 10 months behind at the mo.

Decent way to do it, can fast forward through the crap.

Should be 2017 when i get around to this one... cheers for the heads up!

[Neal 1,853]

The big old Welsh dawg reminded me of our farm curs, back when I was a boyo....

Loud, noisy,.. roustabout critters ,.ideal for bringing in, a few head of cattle ,...but,...a 'star's flight' from a quality Border Collie... The fabulous specialist ,...the supreme herder,...

 

Truly, the Rolls Royce of pastoral canines....

 

I think you've spelt kelpie wrong Phil!

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

 

I think you've spelt kelpie wrong Phil!

 

 

 

 

You will get no argument from me, on that score.

Of course,..I should have said,.."The Kelpie and the Border Collie."

 

All the best, Phil.

Edited September 27, 2015 by Phil Lloyd

[bird 9,796]

Seen it and enjoyed it and of course the best team won.

I like all the herding breeds and have worked for farmers who use them a lot but ,to me, those Welsh sheepdogs were better built for cattle.

But, it would be great to hear if anyone on here has experience of them, ie. Mr Loyd.

When the back of the jeep was opened and I seen all the pups I thought "£££££££££s" but when the lady said working homes only I thoughts that's good to hear.

 

Couldn't see them adding to a lurcher though.

I know there looked bigger type dog than a border collie, whats else in the welsh sheep dog then, because they deff looked different. I would have thought that these welsh sheep dogs, would have improved the temps in the collies in general , as a lot of borders are hyper,sensitive, soft temps . where you think these welsh sheep dogs would have bit more grit =guts about them dealing with big stubborn cattle, you getting tougher temp , put that back to grey or coursing type dog , I reckon you get a good lurcher. still have the brain of the collie , and stamina good coat+ feet, But better type temp well they would for me as I hate this sensitive/fawning nature that you can get with some collies . Oh another thing when watching the program , my wife said I wonder if they use the same sheep with each dog when there doing there own trials . meaning that fresh sheep for each dog trial, or the same sheep might be fooked going through (all) trials over the day , if that makes sense , I know what she means its just ive prob not put it down well .lol

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

There's a few vids on YouTube in America of borders being used for cattle. They are far from soft, I was shocked by them tbh haha. Il dig the vid out n post link here

[neil cooney 10,415]

They use different sheep for each dog in a trial.

 

I don't think anyones saying that border collies are soft but some folk do say that the proper working type and the trial dogs have taken different routes.

It's a bit like comparing a rough shooters springer spaniel to a fieldtrial type. One must be foot perfect for 10 or so minutes and the other must work hard all day.

I know farmers who have farm dogs that look like those welsh dogs and they call them collies but they would be more silent.

The reason I wouldn't think that the welsh would suit a lurcher cross was because they seemed to send the sheep on more by using their voice than by hunting them on like a border would.

The woman on the show even mentioned the fact that they don't herd by hunting like a border does.

I know it's scorned in the trial world for a dog to take a nip but when it comes to cattle and even harder, cows with calves a dog that will give a nip and get out of the way of a kick is needed and this is what I see most farm dogs doing.

To me they're the type to be using for a lurcher.

[Ideation 8,216]

There are a lot of absolute shite welsh sheepdogs out there, a lot of real crap. However, good ones can be very good, hard and independent. Saw a very good litter of pups yesterday. Sire and dam both working cattle and big mobs of sheep. Not read the article, but most of the welsh types I've seen have worked very similar to a collie, only more direct and harder on the sheep at times.

 

My bitch is just a plain old collie. She will turn a good sized ewe by over taking it, jumping in its path and grabbing it by throat / shoulder briefly. The old dog I used, could be sent to single out and pull down a ewe of your choice . . . . . .

 

A lot of my friends use their dogs to catch sheep, and i'm training mine for the same. The average ewe, weighs 4 or 5 times what my bitch does.

 

Hardest herding dogs I've seen have been a mongrel collie and a kelpie x collie.

 

As anything else, its about the individual dog, not the breed.

Edited September 28, 2015 by Ideation

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

You guys are spot on,...Collies are incredably varied,.. in shape,..size, attitude,..etc, etc...

 

I was brought up with herding dogs,...we had a fair few different types ....

 

Some was good,...and some was not so fecking good...

 

Obviously,.when choosing a sheepdog to create a lurcher,..it pays to look around for dogs that possess the traits you require.

 

A good Collie is a great animal,..but a bad fecker,.. is pure trouble...

Edited September 28, 2015 by Phil Lloyd

[forest of dean redneck 11,466]

Didn't see the program, but frankel put a pic up of a nice type of working dog

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/222044-veteran-cattle-dog-and-apprentice-photos/

[neil cooney 10,415]

I wonder was that a Wicklow collie that Frankle mentioned. The sheppards of Wicklow consider their type their own. They're not border's they'll tell you.

Come to think of it, the first sheepdog I seen working was a Wicklow collie. Single handed he'd take 300 sheep of a mountain before 10 lads would (and probably leave some behind.).

[jake824 517]

You guys are spot on,...Collies are incredably varied,.. in shape,..size, attitude,..etc, etc...

 

I was brought up with herding dogs,...we had a fair few different types ....

 

Some was good,...and some was not so fecking good...

 

Obviously,.when choosing a sheepdog to create a lurcher,..it pays to look around for dogs that possess the traits you require.A good Collie is a great animal,..but a bad fecker,.. is pure trouble...

 

there s a farmer not far from me with 2 small border collie bitches. I'm not a big fan of collie crosses but these 2 bitches are as rough as rough. They sleep wherever they can find shelter all year round and when we take the terriers ratting they kill as quick as the terriers do. I ve personally seen em take fox and they have stamina to burn. Will he let me put a good greyhound over one ? Will he hell. Miserable old txxt .