Hard Dogs How Many.

[jiggy 3,209]

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Edited November 2, 2015 by jiggy

[stevie g 2005 125]

a good terrier knows 1s at home 10 - 15 yards before he even gets to the hole, and a good terrierman will be able to read the signals his dog is giving out as they approach the hole. Just the same way you will see a gundog pick up a line and let you know there's a bird about so get ready. a good terrier will do the same, and no matter the size of the hole they should find, that's what the black thing on the end of its face is for..... its called a nose and that's the thing with most terriers bred these days, there bred by individuals who think a terrier with 30-40 handy digs over it its ready to stud or pup and if a dog cant find in a rangey spot its as good as useless to most men.

You make me laugh

[stevie g 2005 125]

 

For the dog side of it, It give it best , it find firstly and do the time, and not show away or come off when its done that. One hole dig but i couldn't say that is always going to happen but if have dozens of it, then at least the other is the one off or so. i like the hard dog and no scream, but The have a bark,which i at least no whats going on. Some burys and the experienced game though knowtto keep the dog their and have moved, or such. You should get me a dog so i see somesteam , in some of the places, and not to much difficulty can face, which can. Be failure in some places, but no complain it goes with the territory's,

 

Terrier has got to be able to find or you get no dig,nose very important in a working terrier.Like yourself i dont like opening holes all over so a 1 hole terrier is by far my choice so they have to stay and face there quarry in order to do so.Experienced game wwill soon sort out a sounder so thats where the harder type shine through.I have seen bayer-mixer types in easy places been dug and coming out like they were put through a shreader,hard dog will grab hold and game over and most times take very little.

You must have some green quarry were you dig don't care if they go in and as you say take hold a hard dog on the right quarry won't be digging week in week out

[Mosby 355]

I've seen a dog go 100's of yards to a hole and find a coon in it. Tracking all the way, late in the afternoon on a sunny day. Remember the day I was with you fat man and the earth wreaked of fox far off from the entrance. That's just what we humans could smell. A dog should know from a pretty good distance if wind is right.

 

As for the issue of it being easy to find in an earth, I just personally believe it has more to do with the dog wanting to find than its ability to find.

 

There are dogs that look like they're working hard that will bump into game they don't want to handle and they'll not hold their quarry but they'll continue roaming holes wasting time.

 

Last season I saw a bitch enter a hole I could hear the game up in the pipe. I could hear digging and whining and barking, so I dug the bitch. She was at least 8 feet off. So I thought maybe the earth was too tight or water was stopping her from reaching the game. But I dropped a dog of her exact same size into the earth. He pushed on through and got two nutria at a stop end. No nose involved, the pipe was straight. Both dogs acted like they wanted action but only one really wanted it. I think alot of people will excuse the poor drive as a lack of nose but it likely comes to drive in the end.

Just my opinion.

[neil cooney 10,416]

How a fellow can say he's been out 1000s of times when he gets in and out of terriers regularly just shows that an inter-net forum can make anyone look like they know what they're talking about.

If a terrier is puling at an earth from 40 yards away it means scent is good, not that you have a super nosed dog.

Foxes can pop into an earth just in front of a pack of hounds and it might take them a while to get a correct mark if scent is bad.

JMHO but the way a lot of lads try their terriers they spend their whole lives passing game and don't even know it. Most terriers when brought to an average earth should find if it's holding. But to be 100% either way IMO the terrier should try the earth, not have a sniff from the end of a lead.

IMO the true test of a terriers nose is when you've already had a dig or maybe two or maybe three or maybe more in a big place and then run a terrier through it so you can walk away knowing it's now empty. How many lads do that nowadays ?

 

Regarding hard dogs ?

They're illegal.

[hjckcff 1,738]

if the dog marks the earth from a distance . you enter it . the same dog on a different day may need to run through to find. yes I would say its about scenting conditions. but that don't change the fact that some dogs shine above others in the nose department. if you are out with a few terriers you tend to rely more on certain dogs for finding than others. experience comes into it but generally speaking a dog with a good nose shows this very early. as does a poor one when in company. you also need a decent owner to read the dog. as for hard terriers that's down to how you define this. ive seen dogs that could be dug to as little as once a season if they get into a situation where they are to tight to do what they want to but are to foolhardy to take a step back. not only can they be out for a season but often it can finish there working life. ive always said over hard work styles. should be classed as a fault. lets face it. you plan breed rear and enter a terrier and after a few outings its career is finished. not for me.

[fat man 4,741]

I've seen a terrier straining on the lead to get to a hole that was hidden in cover 30yards away that dog was never in that field or area before and didn't know there was an earth there from previous visits. Dog was right and we got a successful dig.

Did you ever take time to think a fox may have popped in in front of you and the terrier has got the scent of it?

[fat man 4,741]

 

 

For the dog side of it, It give it best , it find firstly and do the time, and not show away or come off when its done that. One hole dig but i couldn't say that is always going to happen but if have dozens of it, then at least the other is the one off or so. i like the hard dog and no scream, but The have a bark,which i at least no whats going on. Some burys and the experienced game though knowtto keep the dog their and have moved, or such. You should get me a dog so i see somesteam , in some of the places, and not to much difficulty can face, which can. Be failure in some places, but no complain it goes with the territory's,

Terrier has got to be able to find or you get no dig,nose very important in a working terrier.Like yourself i dont like opening holes all over so a 1 hole terrier is by far my choice so they have to stay and face there quarry in order to do so.Experienced game wwill soon sort out a sounder so thats where the harder type shine through.I have seen bayer-mixer types in easy places been dug and coming out like they were put through a shreader,hard dog will grab hold and game over and most times take very little.

You must have some green quarry were you dig don't care if they go in and as you say take hold a hard dog on the right quarry won't be digging week in week out

 

Green as grass.

[jiggy 3,209]

 

 

I've seen a terrier straining on the lead to get to a hole that was hidden in cover 30yards away that dog was never in that field or area before and didn't know there was an earth there from previous visits. Dog was right and we got a successful dig.

Did you ever take time to think a fox may have popped in in front of you and the terrier has got the scent of it?

. Edited November 2, 2015 by jiggy

[lukey 1,621]

so if your walking to a burrow say a farmers asked you to check... you know the land so select the terrier you need for the job depending on age and experience it may be a new spot you have been asked to check by a farmer..... you telling me you cant tell by the way the terriers acting there has been activity and you think might be in here men, and 9 out of 10 the terriers right, this happens consistently over from being a young terrier pup being entered correctly to a second season terrier dug regularly ?..... I have been out a thousand times and lifted a terrier over a fence, and been 40 yards away from the burrow and I know the way MY dogs act if its looking likely... ive also been to places that looked 100% active and were not...and places dead as ceaser and they dropped and we opened up....

So what would happen to a well seasoned dog that gave you the nod from 40yards away and when you got there no one home?? False marking? Or maybe there has been a fox on a near by field or a rabbit or a deer and it has got the dog fired up?? what is it your dogs do to let you know??

[lukey 1,621]

I've seen a dog go 100's of yards to a hole and find a coon in it. Tracking all the way, late in the afternoon on a sunny day. Remember the day I was with you fat man and the earth wreaked of fox far off from the entrance. That's just what we humans could smell. A dog should know from a pretty good distance if wind is right.

 

As for the issue of it being easy to find in an earth, I just personally believe it has more to do with the dog wanting to find than its ability to find.

 

There are dogs that look like they're working hard that will bump into game they don't want to handle and they'll not hold their quarry but they'll continue roaming holes wasting time.

 

Last season I saw a bitch enter a hole I could hear the game up in the pipe. I could hear digging and whining and barking, so I dug the bitch. She was at least 8 feet off. So I thought maybe the earth was too tight or water was stopping her from reaching the game. But I dropped a dog of her exact same size into the earth. He pushed on through and got two nutria at a stop end. No nose involved, the pipe was straight. Both dogs acted like they wanted action but only one really wanted it. I think alot of people will excuse the poor drive as a lack of nose but it likely comes to drive in the end.

Just my opinion.

If you are trying holes and the dog don't mark from 50yards away do you just turn away??

[tinytiger 828]

 

 

I've seen a terrier straining on the lead to get to a hole that was hidden in cover 30yards away that dog was never in that field or area before and didn't know there was an earth there from previous visits. Dog was right and we got a successful dig.

Did you ever take time to think a fox may have popped in in front of you and the terrier has got the scent of it?

exactly what i was thinking- fox pro ably heard them coming-fresh scent.

[tinytiger 828]

i dont know if its nose or wanting real bad,to find it-some are just better at it than others..if it was nose alone then wed all be digging to plummers..best i ever to saw to find was a black fell bitch supposed to be by harcombes big ron

[Mosby 355]

Lukey, if you can find a fox sette in all the brush we have here, you feel free to walk your dog to every hole. Here, the dogs find the sette or it doesn't get found.

[chesney 5,449]

The best bitch i had ta find was nutall/TP cross bitch found and dug in places where alot failed her 2 sisters and a brother of the same litter worked the same way could never get them ta reproduce tho.