Warned Today Off The Police

[waltjnr 6,682]

How do you think the 2 Brits who restrained a intruder,they'd caught in their property in Portugal will get on?

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

 

Tony Martin

a) shot two people who were tresspasing - no problem with that

lied to the police about how things happened

c) lied in court about how it had happened

d) shot them with an unliscenced shotgun - he had his sgc revoked for threatening to shoot people in the local village

e) upon searchin the house several unliscenced firearms were found which he also lied about.

 

I dont disagree with what he did but he also did several other things which were why he didnt get away with it.

 

Excluding b, c, d and e, Martin would have still been f****d. He shot and killed an intruder who posed no immediate threat to his or anybody else's life. Using a firearm is perfectly justifiable legally, but only if there is an immediate threat to life and that level of force was necessary to protect the victim's right to life. Very simply, if an intruder is running away, they present no immediate threat, so to shoot is really taking chances with the courts.

 

I think that all that is bollocks, but that's my understanding of the law. Just because an intruder is running away doesn't mean they are no longer a threat. It must be terrifying finding yourself outnumbered by intruders in your own home. Some people are of the nature not to hide or freeze but to be proactive and engage the threat, that doesn't mean they're any less terrified. Should these people have to assume that only the intruders actually attacking them are threats? So someone running away can't double back on you? Bullshit! You've been put in a situation which you have to assume is life and death, the law should recognise that.

You've also got to have a good excuse for holding the firearm at the time. Arming yourself with a firearm in order to confront intruders is premeditation and will land you in very serious shit if an intruder is injured or complains.

 

 

I'm not sure that's true. There was a Leicestershire couple not long ago that did that and any charges were dropped by the CPS. If you fear for you life or that of another and there is a very genuine and immediate threat to that life then arming yourself is legal as far as I'm aware...... Sleeping with a pump gun under the bed would not fall under that of course! LOL

[Born Hunter 17,751]

Sorry, UG, just reread what you wrote. Historically, arming yourself and then actually taking yourself from a place of no immediate threat (the bedroom) to engage the threat (downstairs) would have been considered illegal, but I'm not sure these days. Didn't the previous justice secretary make quite a clear statement about that and want to clarify the law to allow people to protect their homes against intruders with use of weapons?

 

The Leicestershire couple I mentioned, simply armed themselves with a shotgun and stayed in the bedroom. Like I said, misinterpreted what you said.

 

Either way, I think it's all bullshit, LOL, we need some sort of castle doctrine!

Edited September 24, 2015 by Born Hunter

[peterhunter86 8,627]

A few year's ago an irish farmer shot a traveller that was robbing his house after shooting him once he gave him a few smacks of a stick then shot him again he got six years for manslaughter but it was quashed a year later

[neil cooney 10,416]

Peter, IMO that case really tested our courts opinions on such matters. The farmer, Mr McNally not only shot "Frog" Ward, a well known burglar, but went off and got another cartridge, reloaded and shot him again. The man had been robbed so often he was at his wits end.

He did very little time for the act and hopefully it shows that our legal system is sympathetic to those living in fear in the Irish countryside.

Yesterday the Irish government said it's spending 30 million on helping rural communities. A survey of 1000 farmers showed that 38% of them had been burgled.

These scum are also wrecking the hunting game IMO as every car parked or person walking in the countryside is a suspect.

I get the local text alerts and got one last year that said "Men seen walking dogs, might be looking in windows of houses. Gardi have been notified."

It was a couple of lads out with their lurchers in all innocence.

[neil cooney 10,416]

I got a community text alert about 20 minutes ago saying that a house a couple of miles out the road had been burgled while the owner was in the house.

If the occupant is a woman how's she feeling now knowing that there was a lowlife in the house at the same time as her ?

What if she'd walked in on him ?

Damn right you should be allowed dish out rough justice on this filth.

 

On a selfish note. I have a lot of permission around where that burglary is after taking place.

What if I was checking a few earths or out for a run with the lurcher ?

You can bet your life that my reg would have featured on that text alert warning folk to watch out for my vehicle.

At the moment these scum are doing more harm to fieldsports than the anti's and politicians put together.

I hope these burglars die screaming.

Rant over.

[TOPPER 1,809]

you lads are all forgetting one thing ALL THESE POLICE FORCES ARE PRIVATE COMPANY S and there not going to waste there money on you no good bunch not inless they can nick you for something and make a few bob for the greater good

[j j m 6,537]

well the 2 coppers that visited me were fair enough as coppers go,they said if any one made a complaint with leg injuries they would be back,ive heard nothing so i think the little scroate thought otherwise

[RubyTex 1,957]

well the 2 coppers that visited me were fair enough as coppers go,they said if any one made a complaint with leg injuries they would be back,ive heard nothing so i think the little scroate thought otherwise

See, they should be back, but only to tell you they've got the little b*stard!

 

Honestly it should be if someone is on your property with the intention of stealing or causing harm to you or your family, if you batter them senseless, tough titty....or is that too much like common sense?

[Lenmcharristar 9,734]

Peter, IMO that case really tested our courts opinions on such matters. The farmer, Mr McNally not only shot "Frog" Ward, a well known burglar, but went off and got another cartridge, reloaded and shot him again. The man had been robbed so often he was at his wits end.

He did very little time for the act and hopefully it shows that our legal system is sympathetic to those living in fear in the Irish countryside.

Yesterday the Irish government said it's spending 30 million on helping rural communities. A survey of 1000 farmers showed that 38% of them had been burgled.

These scum are also wrecking the hunting game IMO as every car parked or person walking in the countryside is a suspect.

I get the local text alerts and got one last year that said "Men seen walking dogs, might be looking in windows of houses. Gardi have been notified."

It was a couple of lads out with their lurchers in all innocence.

 

id shake mr mcnallys hand

[Leeview 791]

I agree that the law stinks at times.....but....Tony Martin shot 2 men, one of them was shot in the back as the ran away across the garden.....and he didn't really spend much time in jail for it ( he was also an anti)

 

Use your brain and you can do things to protect your home. As has been said before,when setting any trap always take kids into account....

the 2 men were travellers from Newark that's quite a way from Tony Martin's farm.

The youngest(a teenager) died from his wounds, the other who was shot in the back was sent to jail after a trial, when released who tried to sue Tony Martin for injuries incurred leaving him disabled and had difficulty walking, the case folded when a video was shown of him walking with a stick but not using it to walk with IMHO he should of been jailed for that too

Y.I.S Leeview

[Rake aboot 4,935]

I would protect me and mine in ways that certainly won`t be discussed on here.

 

What I will say though, is the cops that saw the footage the OP had taken, will be back, to remove any SGC or FAC that he holds.

[Hunting loon 100]

you lads are all forgetting one thing ALL THESE POLICE FORCES ARE PRIVATE COMPANY S and there not going to waste there money on you no good bunch not inless they can nick you for something and make a few bob for the greater good

courts to are companies every police force and court is registered at company house and sole aim is to make money so do we ever get justice as if we ever got acquitted they would be unable make any revenue

[DanRaistrick 53]

I used to do quite a bit of Military Simulation Paintball and always thought that Paint Mines would be a good way of protecting your property. Even better if you were to replace the paint with a strong permanent ink, that way if the intended thief gets away they would be covered in ink which would stain the skin for a couple days at least.. just watch it doesn't splat all over the freshly painted house or sheds!

 

All you'd have to do to find the culprit is walk around the local council estates and gypsy camps and look for the guy with skin like a Dalmatian

[treecreeper 1,136]

https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/householders.html

They deserve all they get imo at the end of the day if they wernt robbing you they wouldn't get hurt simple.