Laika Lurchers

[Welsh_red 4,690]

Nice looking dog

[Dan McDonough 560]

Treeing. That's the one trait I would like to see in my lurchers. The second most attractive thing is that most of the Laikas that are in this country are only a generation or two out of Russia and many of those dogs have had generations of having to scratch it out on their own, at least over the warmer months. A lot of the people that have them don't feed them outside of the cold times of the year. I'm sure they don't have 10 types of worming meds. and all of the bells and whistles we have here. Oh, and did I forget to mention...their FAST. That doesn't hurt things.

 

I'm going to have to spend some time with one to see just how smart they are. That's something you just have to see for yourself. It's pretty tough for the average dude to measure and I like big brains.

 

If my current dogs were natural tree dogs, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[roybo 2,873]

Oh lordy, you only have to mention some big brute of a new breed and the peddlers will be scouring the tinterweb for breeders. Bought for buttons, imported and peddled for thousands till the arse falls out of em and every rag-arse in the citys have em and the pounds are full to bursting....

spot on bosun.happened with pitbulls ,dogue DE Bordeaux ,American bull dogs etc... Then came bully kuttas lol

[forest of dean redneck 11,686]

Treeing. That's the one trait I would like to see in my lurchers. The second most attractive thing is that most of the Laikas that are in this country are only a generation or two out of Russia and many of those dogs have had generations of having to scratch it out on their own, at least over the warmer months. A lot of the people that have them don't feed them outside of the cold times of the year. I'm sure they don't have 10 types of worming meds. and all of the bells and whistles we have here. Oh, and did I forget to mention...their FAST. That doesn't hurt things.

 

I'm going to have to spend some time with one to see just how smart they are. That's something you just have to see for yourself. It's pretty tough for the average dude to measure and I like big brains.

 

If my current dogs were natural tree dogs, we wouldn't be having this conversation.[/quote

When I had my German shepherd x greyhound she used her eyes and ears a lot in the woods,she wouldn't bark just stand at base and look up.

[bird 9,966]

What would you be hoping to gain from one? As there's plenty of scent /treeing types over there that can obviously cope with weather and terrain in the usa,and I expect with the commoner ones there's more chance of it have being tried?

Or with staghound .

deff , Dan and others who use stags over there are more than happy with them, they kill yotes which from what Dan and Stunt have shown put up good fight and can run for great distances . so if it was me living over there I be looking for a good dog stag pup , not this other type dog on the post . these stags over there from very old proven lines and culled hard, to keep only the best , so its deff where I go for a working dog that could run+ kill .

[forest of dean redneck 11,686]

 

What would you be hoping to gain from one? As there's plenty of scent /treeing types over there that can obviously cope with weather and terrain in the usa,and I expect with the commoner ones there's more chance of it have being tried?

Or with staghound .

 

deff , Dan and others who use stags over there are more than happy with them, they kill yotes which from what Dan and Stunt have shown put up good fight and can run for great distances . so if it was me living over there I be looking for a good dog stag pup , not this other type dog on the post . these stags over there from very old proven lines and culled hard, to keep only the best , so its deff where I go for a working dog that could run+ kill .

Yeah but Dan don't want a dog that does that ,he wants one to tree game as well.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

Dan, did you ever get anywhere with your search for a collie x lurcher?

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

What would you be hoping to gain from one? As there's plenty of scent /treeing types over there that can obviously cope with weather and terrain in the usa,and I expect with the commoner ones there's more chance of it have being tried?

Or with staghound .

deff , Dan and others who use stags over there are more than happy with them, they kill yotes which from what Dan and Stunt have shown put up good fight and can run for great distances . so if it was me living over there I be looking for a good dog stag pup , not this other type dog on the post . these stags over there from very old proven lines and culled hard, to keep only the best , so its deff where I go for a working dog that could run+ kill .

He's after a treeing dog Ray ?

 

Just seen forests reply. Lol

[Dan McDonough 560]

I made a litter of lurchers from a stag female and a hill collie type I found here in Wisconsin. I have two stags. One is the mother to the lurchers and the other is a male I bought after I sold Yeti, one of the males that Edwards is hunting with. Oddly enough, that male I bought named Duce is a treeing fool and one of the reasons I'm interested in finding something that trees well to put him to. I have the coyote thing covered but I would really like to see what a lurcher could do on bobcats if it could tree well. I have the hounds to get the cat up and running and I like to slip my lurchers in when the cat starts to circle. They are very good at giving the cat fits and they have caught quite a few in good style. The problem is that when the cat gets up a tree in front of them and there is no hound around to bark treed it wastes a lot of time trying to figure out that the cat is already in a tree. Much of the time the hounds figure it out and bark treed but occasionally it's just the lurcher standing under the tree with it's mouth shut. It would seem that the best way to go would be to have a dog similar to the lurchers I have now that trees as well as the hounds.

 

I know this is getting a little picky but it's the last piece of the puzzle and I want it. That's what's driving me to look around. The obvious thing would just breed Duce to a border collie that trees really well and that's what I'm most likely to do but I just have to check out this Laika thing before I get on to that next step.

[forest of dean redneck 11,686]

Would nothing with a lot of collie blood like 3/4 collie 1/4 stag ,copy the hounds or be trained to tree,

Or I think you could be heading in right direction with a spitz breed as lot of them are meant to bark with game .

 

Or would a stag x cur dog not do it?

[Dan McDonough 560]

Well, I do have a first cross stag/july (a type of fox hound) that has shown me that the character of the hound can influence the stag quite a bit. I have thought about the curs and hounds quite a bit. The problem I have with the july influence is that it takes the handle out of them, it's just go, go, go. That can be useful but it's not my ideal. That collie type brain seems irreplaceable.

 

I've thought about taking my first cross collie lurcher to one of my American leopard Hounds. The ALH are just like any other hounds in the talent department but they also have a huge brain and it shows. It's what makes them very good at catching bobcats and grey fox. The problem is that I think the lack of tree in the current lurchers I have will be to much of a problem in that cross. I could always take Duce to one of the Leoaprds but the collie brain is missing then.

 

I've been waiting for my lurcher female to come in season to breed her to Duce and then I would feel good about putting one of those on a ALH. Then I think that there has to be a more simple way to get to this goal than having to make three different breedigs to get to what I want.

 

The best things are always simple. I'm getting there, I'm just not quite sure where "there" is just yet.

[forest of dean redneck 11,686]

Well, I do have a first cross stag/july (a type of fox hound) that has shown me that the character of the hound can influence the stag quite a bit. I have thought about the curs and hounds quite a bit. The problem I have with the july influence is that it takes the handle out of them, it's just go, go, go. That can be useful but it's not my ideal. That collie type brain seems irreplaceable.

 

I've thought about taking my first cross collie lurcher to one of my American leopard Hounds. The ALH are just like any other hounds in the talent department but they also have a huge brain and it shows. It's what makes them very good at catching bobcats and grey fox. The problem is that I think the lack of tree in the current lurchers I have will be to much of a problem in that cross. I could always take Duce to one of the Leoaprds but the collie brain is missing then.

 

I've been waiting for my lurcher female to come in season to breed her to Duce and then I would feel good about putting one of those on a ALH. Then I think that there has to be a more simple way to get to this goal than having to make three different breedigs to get to what I want.

 

The best things are always simple. I'm getting there, I'm just not quite sure where "there" is just yet.

Those ALH like the catahoula?

[Dan McDonough 560]

 

Well, I do have a first cross stag/july (a type of fox hound) that has shown me that the character of the hound can influence the stag quite a bit. I have thought about the curs and hounds quite a bit. The problem I have with the july influence is that it takes the handle out of them, it's just go, go, go. That can be useful but it's not my ideal. That collie type brain seems irreplaceable.

 

I've thought about taking my first cross collie lurcher to one of my American leopard Hounds. The ALH are just like any other hounds in the talent department but they also have a huge brain and it shows. It's what makes them very good at catching bobcats and grey fox. The problem is that I think the lack of tree in the current lurchers I have will be to much of a problem in that cross. I could always take Duce to one of the Leoaprds but the collie brain is missing then.

 

I've been waiting for my lurcher female to come in season to breed her to Duce and then I would feel good about putting one of those on a ALH. Then I think that there has to be a more simple way to get to this goal than having to make three different breedigs to get to what I want.

 

The best things are always simple. I'm getting there, I'm just not quite sure where "there" is just yet.

Those ALH like the catahoula?

 

No, the Catahoula are more of a cattle dog for dangerous cattle. Their good baydogs for hogs but are mostly silent on track if they can even run a track very well. not my cup of tea. The American Leopard Hounds are pretty much like the other six coonhound breeds but they are waaaaay smarter on the average. The line I run is fast and has a lot of really good locators. There's not much you can't catch with them. They aren't as gritty as some but that happens with smart dogs. That doesn't matter tome as long as they don't let things get away. They are pretty hard on coon but stay back on a bear for the most part. Just imagine a good hound that's yard dog smart...that's a leopard.

[Dan McDonough 560]

I've certainly hunted with a few like that and they could catch cats very well. It's not a bad idea.

[Dan McDonough 560]

These are some of my Leopards or at least some of my favorites.